Penetrators are even heavier, I'l try to find how much they weight right now.
Ok, M829A3 penetrator weight's about ~7kg and have lenght of 800mm and diameter of 25mm, preatty nice bastard.
By the way, still it can be heavier, who knows, and diameter can be bigger than 25mm, much bigger.
Last edited by Damian90; 09-24-2009 at 08:26 PM.
DM53 and DM63 weight more than 8kg...By the way, still it can be heavier
The latest US ones even almost 10...
Yup. Still, M829A3 is very heavy in comparision to other modern penetrators, and very long, 800mm! And still it's capabielieties are classified, estimates from Russians are 795mm RHA at 2000m, other say 765, and other 800mm RHA, oldest give round 900-960mm RHA! But oldest ones are surely overestimated, still this is best APFSDS round used today.
I wonder how good will be devloped right now M829A4.
The DM53/63 from a L55 is thought to penetrate 1000mm?still this is best APFSDS round used today.
Who tell you such BS?
Because what it is fired from L55? You know what is funny? M829A3 fired from L44 have better performance than DM53/63 fired from L55. Later I give you estimates.
DM53 fired from L44 have penetration level 700mm at 2000m.
DM53 fired from L55 have penetration level 760mm at 2000m.
DM63 fired from L44 have penetration level 680mm at 2000m.
DM63 fired from L55 have penetration level 720mm at 2000m.(weaker propelant charge, penetrator is same as in DM53)
M829A3 fired from L44 have penetration level 765mm at 2000m, Russians estimates 795mm at 2000m.
Why? Because M829A3 penetrator is much smarter design, not only it is the longest KE penetrator used today, but also have big diameter so it is less susceptible to broke in flight, when hiting target, it is less vurnabale to Heavy ERA's and modern armors than long DM53/63 with much smaller diameter.
Besides this M829A3 is slower so it is also capabale to perforate armor covered by Heavy ERA not detonating heavy ERA.
So you see, not only gun and MV is important but also round itself, it construction. etc.
Also note that it flies about 200 m/s faster than the Us version...
So what? And what US version? US use German ammo? Wrom whom you take such ridiculous informations?
Did you read what I wrote? maybe read that until you understand. I don't know how simpler explain this to you.
MV have less to do with penetration level than construction of the round itself.
And you kno what, DU perform better flying slower than WHA flying faster, you ever know that?
Or you just belieeve in thouse stupid myths that Germans always build better AFV and ammo than the others, yup, really stupid myth.
I'm curious about the performance of Relikt ERA against APFSDS. I know that its detail is classified in many ways, however it is said that Relikt is developed to withstand M829A3, one of the most advanced APFSDS in the world. Any estimation about its probablity of M829A3 protection?
Besides, I've read that United States developed M829A2/A3 after the Kontakt-5 ERA of old T-72 - acquired from East Germany after their reunification - defeated all M829s fired against it. Is it true?
M829A3 was developed after tests not only on K-5 on T-72M/M1 but US also tested T-80U's and bought 4 T-84U Oplot from Ukraine equiped with more advanced Knife ERA.
Yes K-5 protect against M829, but we don't know if M829A1 was tested, surely interim design was M829A2.
Still Relikt can prvide better boost in protection supporting basic armor, because ERA itsefl doesen't protect against projectile, it only support basic armor.
Well the answer to Relikt could be new round in development, M829A4.
Oh please, I hate myths.
One thing can be possible, all modern tanks in NATO, Israel, Russia, Ukraine and lets say Japan and South Korea, can survive hit over frontal arc even from the best ammo used today.
Not nececary having 1000mm frontal protection against KE, but against CE modern armor are close to 2000mm of RHAe.
By against today KE ammo, more than 800mm and it is very good level, well even more than 600mm of RHAe is very good level.
Damian there's no reason to become rude, calm down man