Reply With QuoteHiOriginally Posted by MilanX3
have a look at the first page of this thread : http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...-Force-CROTALE
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Do you have any pictures or video of the 2008, 2010 and 2011 Tigre Meet Crotales?
Hi
have a look at the first page of this thread : http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...-Force-CROTALE
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I know it well! That is from the 2009 Tigre Meet as well as the video no? Are there pics or vids from 2008, 2010 and 2011?
Sisu Pasi with Crotale SAM System [Finland] 1/31 Scale
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/39885799@N02/4869280140/
- ? - Tim Ltd
- Oh! I haven't done that in ages! basically, the mouse was hovering over that piece at the time of Print Screening...
Sisu Pasi with Crotale SAM System [Finland] 1/31 Scale
I haven't posted for a few weeks because I was on a rugby tour to South Africa (although I did take some time to check out some military vehicles from the home of MRAPs and the Rooivalk). Anyway, the point is, I'm not dead, I'm still here, and this is the Sisu Pasi, armed with the French built Crotale SAM system C&C welcome.
Oh, and this was kind of built for LEGO Military Models' upcoming challenge. I hope they choose A-A vehicles as the subject...
What is the official name of the Finnish Crotale system on this chassis? What is the name of the vehicle chassis?
It is a Cortale NG, designated ItO 90 in Finland.
What is the name of this vehicle with the Crotale NG...Korean APC??
The Vehicle is the "Sisu"?? Is it only used with the Crotale NG??
http://wn.com/Sisu_Pasi
http://wn.com/Sisu_XA-180
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_Pasi
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisu_XA-180
http://www.military-today.com/apc/sisu_xa_180.htm
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2622.html
http://www-solar.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/~aaron/finAFV.html
http://www.********************/euro...escription.htm
http://208.84.116.223/forums/index.php?showtopic=21871
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipme...e_Finnish_Army
Anti-aircraft protection of important targets is provided by Crotale anti-aircraft missile systems mounted on Sisu Pasi armoured vehicles,[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisu_Pasi
ITO 90 - Crotale NG SAM system, mounted on a Sisu XA-181 chassis. 10 units
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotale_missile
Last edited by MilanX3; 02-22-2011 at 12:33 AM.
What Chassis is this one below???
http://www.diagnosol.com/crotale.html
Crotale NG (Next Generation) is an all weather short range air defense system developed by Thales Air Defense (formerly Thomson-CSF Airsys) based at Bagneux in France. The missions of the system are in front-line armoured brigade defense, permanent or semi-permanent site defense and area defense against air threats, such as fixed-wing aircraft, attack helicopters, cruise missiles, tactical missiles and saturation attacks with stand-off weapons released from aircraft and helicopters. The Crotale NG system provides air situation and threat assessment, extended detection range, Identification Friend-or-Foe (IFF), multi-target detection plus automated acquisition, tracking and engagement and all weather operation.
Crotale NG entered production in 1990 and is in service with the Finnish Army (20 systems), the French Air Force (12 shelter-mounted systems) and the French Navy. Thales signed a contract with Greece in June 1999 for eleven Crotale NG systems, nine for the Air Force and two for the Navy. The system has also been sold to Saudi Arabia and Oman.
In February 2000, Thales and Samsung were jointly awarded the contract for the Republic of Korea Pegasus (Chun Ma) K-SAM (Korean Surface-to-Air Missile) program. The contract called for the production of 48 Crotale NG surveillance and fire control systems. Samsung Thales was awarded a follow-on contract in December 2003.
A data exchange capability provides integration of the Crotale NG into a global air defense scheme. A platoon of four Crotale NG units can be operated in coordinated mode using the automated computer-to-computer data exchange. According to the threat assessment and the relative positions of the four units, the target is engaged by the unit in the best position.
On an M113 too?
Achem44 answered that, but, coincidentally, the Crotale-NG has been fitted on the M113 for trials:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chun-ma
http://www.deagel.com/Air-Defense-Sy...000245001.aspx
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/crotale/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...d/rok/ksam.htm
http://www.diagnosol.com/crotale.html
http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-...rea-South.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotale_(missile)
Is this based on the M270 MLRS Chassis??
http://www.yugoimport.com/forum/view...p?f=152&t=6734
Crotale NG
The Crotale missile defence system can be fitted on a variety of chassis types. The French Air Force, Finnish Army and French Navy are all users of the multi-dimensional system. Four Crotale defense systems can be networked to cooperate in unison, provided and effective friend-or-foe defense shield against inbound aerial threats. The Crotale NG VT1 missile is highly manoeuverable and can reach speeds of Mach 3.5 with a range of 11km (6.8 miles).
Fire control utilizes multiple sensors with passive optics and radar working alongside electronic countermeasure systems. The target detection and acquisition systems are completely automated to achieve the fastest response time by the crew. The highly adaptable system can be ported onto a variety of chassis requirements, some of which have been the MLRS chassis, a 6-wheeled towed versio, and a 6x6 self-propelled vehicle version in service with the Finnish Army. The 'NG' in the Crotale designation stands for 'Next Generation'
http://208.84.116.223/forums/index.php?showtopic=24484
Crotale-NG and Roland-3 - what are the major differences ? Both use same VT-1 missile , but what is the difference in performance of fire-control systems ? Crotale comes in towed trailer/ XA-181 / MLRS versions , Roland is l on Marder/ truck and towed trailer . Is Roland with itīs reloads under cover of the shelter more protected and meant for high-intensity conflict ?
Last edited by MilanX3; 02-22-2011 at 12:45 AM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotale_(missile)
K-SAM Pegasus
In 1999, the Republic of Korea Armed Forces awarded a contract to Samsung Thales to jointly develop a South Korean-augmented Crotale NG system for the K-SAM Pegasus short range air defense system. A new search-and-track radar was jointly developed by Samsung and Thales to meet the required operational capability of the K-SAM Pegasus,[2] as well as a new indigenous missile by LIG Nex1.[3] Doosan DST integrated this modified Crotale NG system with a K200 vehicle. 48 units were initially produced for 330 million Euros.[4] A second batch of 66 units was ordered in 2003, valued at 470 million Euros
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K200
http://armour.ws/south-korean-k200-i...hting-vehicle/
The K200 is a South Korean infantry fighting vehicle, originally produced by Daewoo Heavy Industries (now part of Doosan Group), intended as a domestic replacement to older armored personnel carriers such as M113 that were in main line of service with the Republic of Korea Armed Forces at the time of K200's development
The K200 project began in 1981 when the Republic of Korea Army issued a request for a new Korean Infantry Fighting Vehicle (KIFV) to meet future combat requirements. The Agency for Defense Development was in charge of its development, and Daewoo Heavy Industries (now part of Doosan Group) was the prime contractor for the production of this vehicle. The K200 was designed to be an amphibious personnel carrier that could cross shallow rivers, based on the chassis of the American Armored Infantry Fighting Vehicle. The AIFV itself was based on the M113 armored personnel carrier. The vehicle was developed to be more affordable than the AIFV, but not necessarily sacrificing capability, to gain an edge in cost-effectiveness. The eventual domestic development and production of the K200 achieved a price range of $1.32 million to $1.41 million[3] as opposed to the $1.52 million to $2.83 million price range that a license-production or direct importation of the AIFV would have entailed.[5]
Doosan incorporated the MAN D2848T engine into the K200 under a license-production deal and assimilated its technology using domestic components,[2] a reverse-engineering experience that would prove instrumental in the development of its next IFV, the K21. S&T Dynamics was the licensee subcontractor for the Allison Transmission X200-5K gearbox.[6] The vehicle entered production in 1985.[7] Serial production was completed in 2006.[3]
http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/a...m/crotale.html
Crotale Low-altitude Surface-to-Air Missile System
Development
In 1964, South Africa placed a development contract with the French company, Thomson-Houston (later Thomson-CSF) for a mobile, all-weather, low-altitude surface-to-air missile system. The Electronic Systems Division of Thomson-CSF was prime contractor for the complete system including the radar and electronics and Matra was responsible for the missile. The South African government paid 85 per cent of the development costs of the system, which it calls the Cactus, and the remaining 15 per cent was paid by France. After trials in 1971 the first of seven platoons was delivered to South Africa with the final one delivered in 1973. In February 1971, the French Air Force placed an order for one acquisition vehicle and two firing units which were delivered in 1972. After extensive trials with these units the French Air Force ordered the Crotale (Rattlesnake) system for airfield defence and by late 1978, 20 batteries had been delivered. Lebanon ordered the Crotale in the late 1960s but the order was cancelled before the systems were delivered. In 1975, Saudi Arabia ordered a new version of the Crotale, mounted on the chassis of the Giat Industries AMX-30 MBT known as the Shahine, for which there is a separate entry in this section, as the system has a number of improvements over the standard Crotale. The Saudis also ordered the standard Crotale in late 1978 and an upgraded version in 1990 for their air force.
As produced, Crotale is normally mounted on a P4R (4 x 4) vehicle and can also be shelter-mounted for use in static defence (qv Shelter- and container-based surface-to-air missile systems section). The first Crotale, produced in 1969, was called the 1000 series. This was followed by the 2000 series in 1973 with IFF and TV camera, the 3000 series (originally designed for the French Air Force with automatic TV tracking) in 1978, 4000 series with radio datalink in 1983, the 5000 series in 1985 and the improved Crotale in 1994. Crotale 3000 fire and acquisition units are not ready for action as soon as they come to the halt but have to be connected together by cables at a maximum distance of 800 m apart. The 4000 series has the LIVH (Liaison Inter Vehicule Hertzienne) radio link and mast which not only allows them to come into action faster but also to have up to 10,000 m between the acquisition units and 3,000 m between the acquisition unit and its firing units. The evolved system includes a better ECM performance and the passive tracking (by FLIR) of targets and missiles in both day and night conditions. The 5000 series was designed for a French Air Force modernisation programme and included the addition of an optical tracker and new antenna that extended the surveillance range to 18,000 m. The system was also modified to accept two Matra BAe Dynamics Mistral missiles on either side of the two container-launcher canisters to help defeat saturation attacks but these were never fielded in practice. In November 1988, at the second ASIANDEX exhibition in Beijing, the China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation (CPMIEC) revealed the FM-80 land-mobile shelter-mounted surface-to-air missile system on two-axle trailers. The FM-80 is very similar in concept to the Crotale shelter-mounted version and its naval equivalent. Details of FM-80 are given in the Shelter- and container-based surface-to-air missiles systems section under China.
Description
The basic Crotale has an all-weather capability. A typical platoon consists of one Acquisition and Co-ordination Unit (ACU) and two to three firing units, with a battery having two platoons. All the operators, have one ACU vehicle to two firing units with the exception of Libya and Bahrain, which have one ACU vehicle to three firing units. The system cannot operate on the move but takes less than 5 minutes to become operational once it has stopped. Once the target has been detected the missile can be launched within about 6.5 seconds. The system has been designed to combat targets flying at a speed of M1.2 at an altitude of 50 to 3,000 m and an equivalent radar area of 1 m{2} fluctuating. Data are transmitted from the Crotale 4000 ACU to the Crotale 4000 firing units via a cable that allows operations up to 800 m away or via a radio link.
Both vehicles have an all-welded steel hull with the driver at the front, electronics and operators in the centre and the thermal motor at the rear. There is a door in the right side of the hull which opens to the rear. Energy is provided by the thermal motor. An alternator, driven by the thermal motor, produces power, the output of which is rectified and then fed to a series of DC motors which in turn drive each of the four roadwheels by epicyclic reduction gears. Sufficient electric power is provided for all the vehicle's electrical systems including the electronics, air conditioning system and the hydraulic circuit which operates the three levelling jacks, steering, suspension and brakes. Each roadwheel station has a hydraulic and pneumatic suspension system designed by Messier. This acts as a pneumatic spring, suspension spring and shock-absorber simultaneously. The position of each jack is controlled by a selector valve connected to a differential gear and the driver has a lever which enables him to select one of five positions.
The ACU carries out target surveillance, identification and designation. Mounted on the top of the vehicle is a Thomson-CSF E-band Mirador IV pulse Doppler radar with fixed-echo suppression which rotates at 60 rpm and has a maximum detection range of 18.5 km against low-level targets with speeds of between 35 and 440 m/s and altitude limits between zero and 4,500 m. The system also has an IFF interrogator-decoder, a non-saturable extractor, real-time digital computer, display console and a digital datalink for transmitting information to the firing units. The computer, which is the same as that installed in the firing unit, is used to generate accurate data for confirmation of threat evaluation. Thirty targets can be processed per antenna revolution with the 12 most dangerous targets automatically evaluated and tracked by the system. Once the target has been detected, the computer triggers the IFF interrogator and the final threat information is displayed. The target is then allocated to one of the firing units and target designation data and operational orders are transmitted by the datalink which also supplies information from the firing unit on operational status, for example, the number of missiles available.
The firing unit has a J-band monopulse 17 km range single target tracking radar mounted concentrically with the launcher turret, which carries four ready to launch missiles, two each side. The system also has an I-band 10° antenna beamwidth command transmitter, differential angle-error measurement infrared tracking and gathering system with a +-5° wide field of view (and in French Air Force systems a further narrow field of view mode for passive operations), an integrated TV tracking mode as a low-elevation back-up, an optical designation tripod-mounted binocular device (which is controlled manually by a handlebar arrangement and used primarily in a heavy ECM environment or whenever passive operation is required), digital computer, operating console and a digital datalink. All the vehicles are fitted with an inter-vehicle link network to transmit data and orders by cable and for radio communication by a VHF radio link. The radar can track one target and guide one or two missiles simultaneously. The missiles, fired 2.5 seconds apart, are acquired immediately after launch by the 1.1° tracking beam of the radar with the help of infrared detection and radar transponders during the gathering phase. Initially the transponder was the 8,000 m range Thomson-CSF Stresa but this was replaced in 1990 by the Thomson-CSF RTKu M Ku-band which has an extended operational range of 10,000 m or greater and uses a solid-state transmitter with integrated processing. There is also a TV tracking mode possibility. Guidance signals are transmitted to the missiles by a remote-control system.
No spare missiles are carried on the vehicle and fresh missiles are brought up by a truck and loaded with a light crane. A well-trained crew of three can load four missiles in about two minutes. The missile is designated the R440 and weighs 84 kg, has an overall length of 2.89 m, span of 0.54 m and a diameter of 0.15 m. The missile complete with its transport/launch container weighs 100 kg. The HE high-energy focused fragmentation warhead in the centre of the missile weighs 15 kg, has a lethal radius of 8 m for the 2,300 m/s velocity fragments and is activated in the original R440 missiles by either the infrared proximity fuze (the fuze is commanded to activate 350 m before interception) or back-up contact fuze. The missile has an SNPE Lens III rocket motor with 25.45 kg of solid propellant powder. The missile reaches a maximum speed of 750 m/s in 2.8 seconds. The Naval Crotale fires a slightly modified missile, the R440N fitted with a Thomson-CSF FPE pulse-Doppler I/J-band proximity fuze. For 1 m{2} radar fluctuating cross-section targets with velocities of 50 and 250 m/s respectively the engagement parameters in Table 1 apply.
Table 1. Velocity 50 m/s 250 m/s Head-on target (maximum operational intercept range) >10,000 m 9,500 m (minimum operational intercept range) 500 m 500 m Crossing target (maximum operational intercept range) 9,700 m 5,500 m (minimum operational intercept range) 500 m 2,000 m Target altitude (maximum) >5,000 m 4,500 m (minimum) 15 m 15 m {ct} The Single-Shot Kill Probability for a single missile is 0.8 and for a salvo of two 0.96. The missile is itself capable of the following performance:
Range Manoeuvrability* Flight time 5,000 m 27 g 10 s 6,000 m 18 g 13 s 10,000 m 8 g 28 s 13,000 m 3 g 46 s
Note: * The manoeuvrability (or load factor) of the missile in terms of time is the maximum number of g which can be applied to the weapon in pitch and/or yaw when under guidance. The maximum range to which Crotale has been guided against a slow moving target (for example, helicopter) is 14,600 m. Minimum flight time is 2.2 seconds (the time required to arm warhead section)
. In early 1987, TDA tested a new HE fragmentation warhead for Crotale. This uses a time-space convergence technique to ensure that the warhead fragments arrive coincidentally within a 40 cm band at a distance of 5 to 8 m irrespective of the missile/target miss distance. The fragments are capable of penetrating up to 10 mm of steel plate within this range or severing the aluminium alloy body of a missile.
SPECIFICATIONS :
R440 Missile
Length: 2.89 m
Diameter: 0.15 m
Wing span: 0.54 m
Launch weight: 84 kg
Propulsion: solid propellant rocket motor
Guidance: command control
Warhead: 15 kg HE fragmentation with contact and proximity fuzing Max speed: 750 m/s
Max effective range: see text
Min effective range: see text
Max effective altitude: 5,000-5,500 m (depending upon target velocity)
Min effective altitude: 15 m
Reload time: 2 min (full 4-round load)
Status : Production as required (over 250 ground systems, 25 naval systems and some 7,000 missiles by 1997). Pakistan 11 acquisition units and 23 missile batteries for Air force
Marketing is now being concentrated on the Crotale NG covered in the previous entry and on the improvement of delivered Crotale systems to cope with the modern battlefield threat, that is ECM resistance and enhanced operational characteristics (using new planar antenna, associated data processing and ECCM devices, fully automatic optronic target and missile tracking mode and hypervelocity VT-1 missile). The naval version, Navale Crotale, has been sold to the People's Republic of China, France and Saudi Arabia.
COMPANY NAME : Thomson-CSF Airsys
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