that might be a good option...
Where did you hear they have settled on 36 airframes? That sounds like an optimistic number to me. The Super Etendards are being updated by the French, so I'm assuming they will stay in service for some time, though they are optimized for strike, not air superiority.
I wonder what the odds of just eliminating the fast jet force would be?
Also I think the Mirage 2000 is a good "lower cost" alternative. It is still a very capable fighter jet. They could easily get 20 years of use out of them. Argentina doesn't have a need for brand new 5th generation fighter aircraft.
Man, you gotta start learning how to quote other people's comment. Its confusing and makes it hard to follow.
Nuclear warrior, dont I just click on reply? lol im new.
Next time click where it says 'Reply with quote' and if you want to answer several stuff just copy and paste each of those quotes and then answer one by one on one post.Originally Posted by vdubcub81
ok think it did it right lol..
What source states they want 36 Mirage 2000s? how many squadrons do they want to form?
If the aim was to keep the existing structure intact, then 3 x squadrons = minimum 36 planes. There is no source, since there is no fighter purchase planned. IMO any purchase would probably be even smaller, maybe just 12 planes like the Brazilians. Argentina spends about 0.8% of it's GDP on defense... and like armored mentioned earlier, it's an election year. The Mirages will keep dropping out of the sky until there's none left.
It is, but I'm not so sure about the low cost. Let's say the FAA gets Mirage 2000-5s (which were new built for the AdA in the 90s, not converted from 1980s examples) starting in 2015. They'd be about 20 years old by the time Argentina gets them. Another 20 on top of that, and who's going to be still using M2000s around the 2030s? It'll be just as expensive to maintain and as old as the Mirage IIIs they're using today. Quick and dirty MSpaint reference of past types in FAA service:
I took 2 pics with the iPhone today of 2H-240, another SH-3 over Monte Hermoso. I will upload them when I am back at Bs As.
Alternatives to consider are the low-end high speed trainers/attack/fighters.
KAI T-50, JF-17, M-346, MAKO Jet, or Teja
That, Sir, ruined my day.
My candidates for the next fighter would be:
- F-16 (block 50 level)
Yes, F-16, combat proven, widely used. Don´t give me that "but there are small
stones on the airfield" cr*p (if so, buy a 4 x 4 truck and pretend it flights)
- F-18E SH
A fantastic plane that keeps getting better; would make a perfect option.
- Grippen
Swedish quality at it´s best; if we had 1/4 of a brain, we should lease a couple of
dozens of it as gap stop and invest in the development of the Grippen NG. Short range my *ss.
- Su-30
Can´t we give Russia a try? it´s an awesome killing machine, great for our wide
geography. Cold war is over, guys, cut the "ughh, it´s russian" BS. Russian
industry of the last years is quite different from the basic mig´s from the 60´s
- Mig-35
Still a great option, quite capable.
Of course, in all cases I´m talking about +/- 100 planes. No more 10/16 planes all stuck in a single air base, while nothing on the rest (or a different plane, as it happens today).
yes, I know.... Please don´t pop my balloon ... dreaming is so nice.
Id almost guarantee that Brazil and Peru will hold onto their Mirage 2000s for another 20 years. I don't think many countries that currently operate them intend to get rid of them anytime soon. There are no direct threats to Argentine sovereignty, so I dont think there is any reason to spend billions on new fifth generation fighter aircraft. There are a lot of commonalities between the Mirage IIIs and the 2000s, so I think it would be the best option if FAA really wants to get newer 4.5 generation aircraft. Again, with upgrades, the Mirage 2000 can easily be an effective fighter jet for a developing nation's air force for 20+ years. I think they should buy 12 Mirage 2000s, and then upgrade all the old Mirage IIIs.It is, but I'm not so sure about the low cost. Let's say the FAA gets Mirage 2000-5s (which were new built for the AdA in the 90s, not converted from 1980s examples) starting in 2015. They'd be about 20 years old by the time Argentina gets them. Another 20 on top of that, and who's going to be still using M2000s around the 2030s? It'll be just as expensive to maintain and as old as the Mirage IIIs they're using today. Quick and dirty MSpaint reference of past types in FAA service:
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