Argentina Armed Forces thread

[vdubcub81]

That, Sir, ruined my day.
My candidates for the next fighter would be:

- F-16 (block 50 level)
Yes, F-16, combat proven, widely used. Don´t give me that "but there are small
stones on the airfield" cr*p (if so, buy a 4 x 4 truck and pretend it flights)

- F-18E SH
A fantastic plane that keeps getting better; would make a perfect option.

- Grippen
Swedish quality at it´s best; if we had 1/4 of a brain, we should lease a couple of
dozens of it as gap stop and invest in the development of the Grippen NG. Short range my *ss.

- Su-30
Can´t we give Russia a try? it´s an awesome killing machine, great for our wide
geography. Cold war is over, guys, cut the "ughh, it´s russian" BS. Russian
industry of the last years is quite different from the basic mig´s from the 60´s

- Mig-35
Still a great option, quite capable.

Of course, in all cases I´m talking about +/- 100 planes. No more 10/16 planes all stuck in a single air base, while nothing on the rest (or a different plane, as it happens today).

yes, I know .... Please don´t pop my balloon ... dreaming is so nice.

yes.. they can't afford any of those aircraft. Maybe they could buy used F-16s, like my Venezuela idea, or surplus USAF F-16As, but I think the Mirage 2000 would be the easiest to integrate into the FAA since it shares a lot in common structurally with the Mirage III.

[vdubcub81]

Alternatives to consider are the low-end high speed trainers/attack/fighters.
KAI T-50, JF-17, M-346, MAKO Jet, or Teja

With the exception the JF-17 (which I wouldn't want), those are all way to small and WAY to slow. Argentina is large semi-developed country. They need full size fast combat jets equipped with long-range multi-mode radars. None of those options you mention offer a true BVR interception capability (maybe the JF-17 lol), So they would still be in the same boat they are in now. FAA has adequate air to ground capabilities, but needs a true air superiority interceptor. Those jets might be a good option for Uruguay .

[Ordie]

yes.. they can't afford any of those aircraft. Maybe they could buy used F-16s, like my Venezuela idea, or surplus USAF F-16As, but I think the Mirage 2000 would be the easiest to integrate into the FAA since it shares a lot in common structurally with the Mirage III.

Used fighters are limited by fatigue and stress.

It's better to buy new.

[Elbs]

Id almost guarantee that Brazil and Peru will hold onto their Mirage 2000s for another 20 years. I don't think many countries that currently operate them intend to get rid of them anytime soon. There are no direct threats to Argentine sovereignty, so I dont think there is any reason to spend billions on new fifth generation fighter aircraft. There are a lot of commonalities between the Mirage IIIs and the 2000s,

Like what? They have no common parts at all. They're a full generation apart. If Mirage 5/50s and Mirage IIIs don't even share some of the basic maintenance tools, imagine the difference between MIII/M2000 equipment. About the only thing they share is fuel and 30mm ammunition. And the end result would be the same: the FAA replacing 40 year old planes with 30 year old planes. At the rate it's going, there'll be no fighter pilots left anyway... some have already moved on to greener pastures in the airlines.

and then upgrade all the old Mirage IIIs.

Forget it, the Mirages will be gone in 2015, the ministry of defense has already said so. They are dangerous to fly and are a maintenance nightmare. Argentina had to trade it's last working Boeing 707 to Brazil in exchange for spares for the Mirages. Upgrade with what? A new engine? Radar? Electronics suite and countermeasures? New weapons? New ejector seats? The cost of the upgrades would be about the same as buying used F-16s... there's no point. These are 40 year old planes with thousands of hours on them; they've been flown hard for decades. It's a miracle they're even flying at all.

yes.. they can't afford any of those aircraft.

Money is not the issue. The issue is institutionalized government contempt for anything remotely military in nature. This is the same gov't that has spent $600 million to show soccer matches on public TV.

[Elbs]

Since we've gone a few pages without pics, here's a new one: 1st of two Beech 200s fitted with locally produced search radar.



source here.

[Elbs]

A-4 live fire exercise.

[armored_diplomacy]

^^
Can´t wait for the day when our planes start to use GBU, JDAMs, etc, and no more dumb bombs ... well, on the bright side, it is nice to see there are live fire exercises.

Here´s a nice video from the Navy, with great music !



Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeBva...eature=related

[Nuclear_Warrior]

You repeated that video twice. Has there ever been any military exercises between Venezuelan FAN and Argentinian one? I have only seen a couple of pics of UNITAS, and other of the Air force, but on the infantry level?

[armored_diplomacy]

Let´s keep the positive attitude: a nice video showing upgraded LVTP 7´s.
Audio is in spanish only, but basically it says that all the work was done in Argentina, even building many of the pieces they needed.
Good job !



Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0umh...eature=related

[Nuclear_Warrior]

Wonder if those are Venezuelan or Argentinian. IIRC Argentina updated our LVTP7

[armored_diplomacy]

You repeated that video twice.

Really ?

Has there ever been any military exercises between Venezuelan FAN and Argentinian one? I have only seen a couple of pics of UNITAS, and other of the Air force, but on the infantry level?

There was one announced back in 2008, but i couldn´t get any extra info.
More recently, not that I know.

[Nuclear_Warrior]

That is too bad.

[armored_diplomacy]

On this website (http://www.foromil.com.ar/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=28&func=view&catid=8&id=2043) there was a planned (and approved by Congress) exercise for 2009. I couldn´t get images, though

“INTEGRATION” (combined exercise, conventional operations, with forces on the ground: Brasil, Paraguay, Uruguay, Ecuador, Chile, Perú, Colombia, Bolivia, Venezuela y Argentina).

[happyslapper]

Since we've gone a few pages without pics, here's a new one: 1st of two Beech 200s fitted with locally produced search radar.

I'm surprised they didn't become Coastguard assets, rather than Navy. Perhaps this is symbolic of shifting attitudes towards militarisation. I very much doubt it would have been the case a few years ago.

[Nuclear_Warrior]

For some reason that website is not working for me.

I'm surprised they didn't become coastguard assets, rather than navy. Perhaps this is symbolic of shifting attitudes towards militarisation. I very much doubt it would have been the case a few years ago.

You make it sound like if they were getting ready to invade the Falklands