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    Default Senator Graham Questions Attorney General Eric Holder on KSM civilian trial

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTmLKUT817Y

    Graham nails it. Especially when he stumps Holder. This is a completely stupid move. I don't know what is driving it, but its not logic or reason. If you're reason is to "show the world how fair our system is", then it makes no sense since KSM wasn't taken under those conditions. By those standards they would have to throw the case out. Not to mention the precedent this sets for future cases.

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    P.S Eric Holder, is the AG that decided not to prosecute the Black Panthers that stood at polling stations.

    I am trying to get a recording/transcript of the interview Obama did recently in Asia where he stated that KSM will get a fair and equal hearing as expected at the same time the people of NY will be vindicated when KSM is found guilty and put to death. Which is a contradictory statement, because the justice system assumes innocence not guilt

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    Interesting

    http://www.breitbart.tv/bombshell-un...ilitary-trial/


    In 2006 0bama wanted KSM to have a Military Trial

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    Just shoot him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chulo_allen View Post
    P.S Eric Holder, is the AG that decided not to prosecute the Black Panthers that stood at polling stations.

    I am trying to get a recording/transcript of the interview Obama did recently in Asia where he stated that KSM will get a fair and equal hearing as expected at the same time the people of NY will be vindicated when KSM is found guilty and put to death. Which is a contradictory statement, because the justice system assumes innocence not guilt
    Yeah and a possible defense position one could also appeal and even win.(Retrial anyone) KSM will just plead guilty I believe. KSM will blow the whole show trial which this is out of the water by pleading guilty and asking for the death penalty. He will be given the death at the hands of his enemies that of a martyr that he sees himself to be.

    This is just a political show trial and suits no purpose other than make it seem as if any real retribution has been taken. The AG needs to be replaced since his own political ambitions and showboating come first above justice being delivered.

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    KSM will be privy to classified information as no doubt he will represent himself in NY. Also, is it true that lawyers that worked for Holders firm, represented those that were or are incarcerated at Gitmo in the past?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geezah View Post
    KSM will be privy to classified information as no doubt he will represent himself in NY. Also, is it true that lawyers that worked for Holders firm, represented those that were or are incarcerated at Gitmo in the past?
    Interesting question: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/23...tmo-detainees/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geezah View Post
    KSM will be privy to classified information as no doubt he will represent himself in NY. Also, is it true that lawyers that worked for Holders firm, represented those that were or are incarcerated at Gitmo in the past?
    Thats what they were saying on Morning Joe this morning. Giuliani said it was Holder's firm that was holding up the trails under Bush. I'll post the clip when its available.
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    Found the video i was looking for
    Obama on terror trials: KSM will die


    Americans who are troubled by the decision to send alleged Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to New York for trial will feel better about it when he’s put to death, President Barack Obama said Wednesday.

    During a round of network television interviews conducted during Obama’s visit to China, the president was asked about those who find it offensive that Mohammed will receive all the rights normally accorded to U.S. citizens when they are charged with a crime.

    “I don't think it will be offensive at all when he's convicted and when the death penalty is applied to him,” Obama told NBC’s Chuck Todd.

    When Todd asked Obama if he was interfering in the trial process by declaring that Mohammed will be executed, Obama, a former constitutional law professor, insisted that he wasn’t trying to dictate the result.

    “What I said was, people will not be offended if that's the outcome. I'm not pre-judging, I'm not going to be in that courtroom, that's the job of prosecutors, the judge and the jury,” Obama said. “What I'm absolutely clear about is that I have complete confidence in the American people and our legal traditions and the prosecutors, the tough prosecutors from New York who specialize in terrorism.”
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29661.html

    Minute 1:44 of the interview. Notice that Obama says “When” and then restates it to mean “If”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chulo_allen View Post
    Minute 1:44 of the interview. Notice that Obama says “When” and then restates it to mean “If”.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw9OJJCU5y4

    So much for the 'show the world' excuse.

    Also, here is the morning Joe clip I was talking about.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnppgXNiuxI

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    Hey, I'm all for him getting a fair trial...right before his execution. And to save the taxpayers of NY money, I'd suggest flexcuffing him, and tying a piece of the WTC debris to his feet, and tossing him in the bay, near the site of the former WTC. Sound reasonable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominique View Post
    Hey, I'm all for him getting a fair trial...right before his execution. And to save the taxpayers of NY money, I'd suggest flexcuffing him, and tying a piece of the WTC debris to his feet, and tossing him in the bay, near the site of the former WTC. Sound reasonable?
    A public trial is in my opinion a very bad idea. Hang him in a dark desolate place alone on some timer. Bag his body fly it to Afghanistan and drop it on the Taliban from a low flying B1 going supersonic.

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    The scary thing here is, Obama and Holder are talking about getting a conviction and putting the guy down, but as mentioned, if tried in a civilian court he will not get a fair trial, as two guys at the top are already saying he is guilty.
    So, what are the chances of this guy getting of, or if convicted holding up the system for years with appeals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geezah View Post
    The scary thing here is, Obama and Holder are talking about getting a conviction and putting the guy down, but as mentioned, if tried in a civilian court he will not get a fair trial, as two guys at the top are already saying he is guilty.
    So, what are the chances of this guy getting of, or if convicted holding up the system for years with appeals?
    KSM is not going to give them or anyone the satisfaction of a show feel good trial. He will plead guilty to all accounts and go out like a martyr and those in the middle east who matter will see it as if Jesus himself was being strung up by the jews. This is an unbelievably stupid idea to have or even attempt a show trial which he will no doubt expose for the farce that it is.

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    I'm sorry but he's not a martyr...why we can't go medieval on him like he went on us confounds me.

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