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    Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on Sunday said Turkey could not resume mediating Israel-Turkey peace talks, shortly before another minister, Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, was reportedly set to propose that the country did exactly that.

    "Fuad's trip to Turkey is... an important trip, but has not been agreed upon by the Foreign Ministry," said Lieberman at the start of the weekly cabinet meeting, referring to the Minister of Industry, Trade and Labor by his moniker.

    "After all of Turkey's insults and tongue-lashing against Israel, they can't be a mediator."

    Tensions flared between the two countries in September after Turkey banned Israel from participating in a NATO air force drill. Ankara further strained relations last week when it refused to take off the air a television drama depicts Israeli soldiers killing Palestinian children.

    On Saturday, sources in Jerusalem said Ben-Eliezer was expected to propose to Turkey that it resume its mediation role in exchange for a return to more cordial relations between Israel and Turkey.

    The sources said that the policy was coordinated with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the Foreign Ministry in advance of Ben-Eliezer's departure on an official visit to Turkey Sunday evening.

    The sources say that Ben-Eliezer will stress that Israel will view Turkey as a mediator with Syria, but Turkey must first demonstrate a return to the normal relations that existed with Israel before a deterioration in ties at the beginning of the year in the wake of Operation Cast Lead in Gaza. The normalization will have to be shown through declarations and deeds, they say. Among such gestures, Ben-Eliezer will propose that Turkish President Abdullah Gul pay a visit to Israel and meet with President Shimon Peres.

    In the course of Ben-Eliezer's visit, he will attempt to return economic, military, strategic and diplomatic ties to normal. The official reason for the minister's visit is the annual Turkish-Israeli economic conference. In the course of his trip, Ben-Eliezer will meet with the Turkish agriculture minister as well as the defense minister, who heads the Turkish delegation to the conference. Efforts have recently been underway to arrange a meeting with a high-level Turkish political figure. In the absence of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who is abroad, a possible meeting with President Gul or with Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu is being explored.

    "I hope my economic and political talks will make it possible to get the important relations between Israel and its Turkish strategic partner back on track," Ben-Eliezer said, adding, "Turkey has special ties with Israel, and as a regional and democratic-Muslim power."

    In the wake of Operation Cast Lead, Turkey found it difficult to restrain its criticism of Israel in the face of pro-Palestinian public opinion in Turkey. This was followed by public pressure, backed by Erdogan, to halt cooperation between Israeli and Turkish companies. Israeli tourists responded by boycotting Turkey.

    In October Prime Minister Netanyahu rejected a Turkish proposal, conveyed through Spain, to resume mediation efforts with Syria. About a week later, Syria canceled Israeli participation in air force exercises in Turkey. The anti-Israel Turkish policies have been led by Prime Minister Erdogan, while President Gul is considered a pro-Israeli figure in the Turkish leadership.

    In reaction to recent declarations by Netanyahu regarding his readiness to negotiate with Syria without preconditions, Syrian President Bashar Assad's senior political advisor, Buthayna Shaaban, said over the weekend that Syria's position on opening negotiations with Israel is clear: Israel must first recognize Syria's rights in the Golan Heights and present guarantees that it will withdraw. From Syria's standpoint, she said, it is not a matter of preconditions but of rights that it cannot relinquish.

    At a lecture in Syria, Shaaban said the meeting between Assad and French President Nicolas Sarkozy about 10 days ago dealt with the peace process, the Iranian nuclear issue and Turkish relations with Syria. She said Syria is insisting that Turkey serve as mediator in any negotiations with Israel, and Turkey is an important country that had a central and rational role in the indirect negotiations with Israel. Negotiations under Turkish mediation, she said, proved to the world that Syria wants an agreement and Israel is hindering it.
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    I am always puzzled about Lieberman's exaxct positions, in the media you often hear about his radical outbursts he made in the past or present. But when I heard him speak here at a conference he was much more moderate, also about Turkey. Perhaps it was his dire English which made him sound less hostile.

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    Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on Sunday said Turkey could not resume mediating Israel-Turkey peace talks, shortly before another minister, Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, was reportedly set to propose that the country did exactly that.
    I agree with Lieberman, we can't resume meditating our own peacetalks

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeWolf View Post
    I am always puzzled about Lieberman's exaxct positions, in the media you often hear about his radical outbursts he made in the past or present.
    Liberman is the media's punching bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Try&die View Post
    I agree with Lieberman, we can't resume meditating our own peacetalks
    There is also this:


    In October Prime Minister Netanyahu rejected a Turkish proposal, conveyed through Spain, to resume mediation efforts with Syria. About a week later, Syria canceled Israeli participation in air force exercises in Turkey. The anti-Israel Turkish policies have been led by Prime Minister Erdogan, while President Gul is considered a pro-Israeli figure in the Turkish leadership.
    At any rate, despite the confusion on details, Israel's basic stance is correct. Turkey cannot be a mediator as things currently stand.

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    It would be better for long term Israeli-Turkish relations to not have Turkey as a mediator at this point. Let the men in the shadows conduct the negotiations and when an agreement is reached, bring in Turkey to 'officially' mediate. Kudos for the Turks and no risking what could be a solid relationship.

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    Strange that Israel did not know this earlier and entered the talks with Syria under Turkish mediation. Even before it Erdogans position was known...

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    We must send aqp and tayyeap as soon as possible...

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    He's right. Edrogan can't say what he said about Israel, and expect it to be buisness as usual. Diplomatically you try to soften your position before you propose to mediate return to be freinds. But even that might be difficult now. As the saying goes "It will never be the same again".

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    its really getting boring.Erdogan has a very long nose.
    Why does dumb akp mess the problem between arabs and jews ? Is it our matter ? Absoultely no.

    If they are so much determined to kill eachother and make a war why should we effort for a peace ? Totally foolish. We should keep away from hot zones our ass which has also great problems .

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.i.t View Post
    its really getting boring.Erdogan has a very long nose.
    Why does dumb akp mess the problem between arabs and jews ? Is it our matter ? Absoultely no.

    If they are so much determined to kill eachother and make a war why should we effort for a peace ? Totally foolish. We should keep away from hot zones our ass which has also great problems .
    Exactly!

    Also, I think this whole "mediate" thingy is for some reason exaggerated on the Israeli side, cuz we don't even hear Erdo insisting about this in Turkey.

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