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    Quote Originally Posted by T-5 Killer View Post
    Interesting! What happened to the F-5 scraped or sent back to Vietnam?
    Any more photos of "modern" Western aircraft in Soviet hands?

    One is still in Poland - Polish Army Museum or Polish Air Forces Museum


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    I get a few skill Vietnam in the Vietnam especially the NVA/ VC side and I also Know about the China Vietnamese war and Cambodia invasion ( I am no from US or Vietnamese) but I can help us


    really during the Vietnam The F-5 do not was used by US


    US give it some to South Vietnamese air force but they do nothing in against the VPAF MIGs , but was a good in the air support
    Quote Originally Posted by Panchito12 View Post
    it was better than the Mig21

    That is incorrect the Top in Vietnam aircraft was for kills


    1º Mig-21
    2º Mig-17
    3º F-4 (the American lose a lot of them)
    4º Mig-19


    The Mig-21 was in Vietnam the USAF pweneder.


    F-5 In South Vietnamese air force get none Victories against the Vietnam people's Air force


    Pics from South Vietnamese F-5


    A American advisor with South Vietnamese Pilots






    They was captured all captured on ground in 1975 in the last VC/NVA offensive called “Ho Chi Minh Champaign” some people usually called it “fall of Saigon” another part was send back to US the same year.


    A few interesting info:



    North Vietnamese troops storm Bien Hoa Nase During the final phase of the Vietnam war. Abandoned F-5A and F-5E fighters await their fate in in front of a hardened aircraft shelter





    The First North Vietnamese government representatives, led by Ton Duc Thang arrived in South Vietnam on 15 May on a board a VPAF Il-18.





    Ground crews refuel VPAF F-5E and F-5A fighters at Da Nang Air Base. It a was PVAF 935 th fighter regiment.




    A ground crewman assists the pilots of an F-5E Tiger II while other pilot their planing mission in the background. The 935 th fighter Regiment of the VPAF 372 nd air division was a unique in Vietnam its pilots flying both MIG-21bis and Ex US F-5 Fighters. Eventuality, the lack spare parts grounded most, if not all, of the aircraft captured from the South Vietnamese government.





    Captain Nguyen Tanh Trung, Peputy Commander of the 935 air force Wing, 1977 allegedly was both a communist sympathizer and an F-5 Pilot in the South Vietnamese Air force. On 8 April 1975 he flew his plane to communist territory, later leading a flight of captured A-37s in Tan Son Nhut Airbase. After the capitulation of Saigon he became Deputy Commander of 935, Composed of captured aircraft. Note His equipment is of US origin.


    Vietnam's People air force F-5


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    Poland give a few some help to North Vietnam like another Warsaw Patch countries, I got many good info about Vietnam in polish but need help to traduce it

    The Vietnamese used The captured F-5 during 1978-79 Wars some people said in the China Vietnamese war 1979 but I cant confirm it yet, I only know the Vietnamese used F-5 the the Democratic Kampuchea' invasion, so Pol Pot was a china allied Vietnam decided invaded Cambodia (Democratic Kampuchea) 1978-79 and and it caused the China Vietnamese war from February- March 1979


    So I get interesting info in this place about the US weapon used by the PVA.

    On 27 December 1978, 300 NUFSK members “invaded” Cambodia, “supported” by a 200.000 strong Vietnamese Army. For the invasion of Cambodia, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam Air Force (SRVAF) deployed the 901st Air Group – to a better part consisting of the units from the 372nd Air Division that was almost completely equipped with US-built aircraft. The 901st Air Group had no permanently assigned units, but for invasion of Cambodia it consisted of following regiments:

    - 935, equipped with F-5As and F-5Bs, stationed at Bien Hoa AB

    - 937, equipped with A-37Bs, stationed at Phan Rang AB

    - 938, equipped with a mix of C-130s, C-119Ks, and C-47s, based at Gia Lam AB

    - 917, equipped with U-17s, L-19s, UH-1s, and CH-47s, based at Tan Son Nhut AB

    At some point in time the 901st Air Group was also to get the 916th Regiment SRVAF, equipped with Mi-24A helicopter gunships. According to Vietnamese records, this unit was already operational at the time of the invasion of Cambodia; according to DIA reports, however, the SRVAF received its first Mi-24As only in January 1980 – a full year after the invasion of Cambodia. According to the same source, the 916th Regiment was initially deployed at Hoa Lac, in northern Vietnam, in order to counter any Chinese offensive. The first independent reports about the deployment of Mi-24s in Cambodia indicated their appearance at Than Son Nhut and then at Pochentong only in 1983.



    A Vietnamese U-17 seen at the Tan Son Nhut AB: the type was used extensivelly as FAC-aircraft during the Vietnamese invasion on Cambodia. (A. Grandolini collection)


    The invasion began by a series of heavy air strikes flown by F-5s, and A-37s, which prepared the ground for the advance of the 207th, 325th and 968th, all well-supported by artillery and tanks (one of the SRVAF F-5-pilots that participated in the invasion was Nguyen Thanh Trung, the same former pilot of the South Vietnamese Air Force, that bombed the presidential palace in Saigon, on 5 April 1975, before defecting to the North Vietnamese side). It is possible that the SRVAF deployed also some of ist A-1 Skyraiders in combat as well, however, no known official Vietnamese documents mention this, even if some DIA reports indicate that the Vietnamese continued to keep up to two dozens of Skyraiders in service until at least 1977. In fact, the SRVAF Museum in Hanoi has a photograph of a Skyraider just coming out of maintenance hangar in full markings of the Vietnamese Air Force.


    SVRAF F-5E seen at Bien Hoa: the F-5s of the 372nd Air Division were insturmental for support of the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, in December 1978. The aircraft served with distinction for the folllowing three years, before the SVRAF almost run out of spares for them. Most of the support equipment, spares and weapons for Vietnamese F-5s was sold to Ethiopia, in the early 1980s, and to Iran during the mid-1980s: the aircraft, however, were never sold anywhere. (A. Grandolini collection)


    The Vietnamese advanced very fast, within days reaching the areas of Parrots Beak and Fishook, where fierce and bloody mop-up battles were to rage for weeks. The Vietnamese did not hesitate to use the US-developed tactics of forward air controllers: quite on the contrary, they deployed Cessna U-17s to find a concentration of some 30.000 Khmer fighters at Fishhook and direct heavy air strikes that literally decimated their enemies. From the second week of the invasion the SRVAF also started deploying MiG-21MFs and a batch of Mi-24As, both of which were usually equipped with UB-16-57 and UB-32-57 rocket launchers, as well as FAB-500 bombs. A number of C-130A transports was also converted into make-shift bombers, while the balance of the SRVAF was involved in intensive transport, liaison, and other kind of support missions. Curiously, a number of Vietnamese aircraft has got the NUFSK national markings, alleging to be a part of the “National Liberation Air Force”: at least a single C-47 and one Mi-6 were seen wearing such insignia. This practice was introduced actually already in 1975, when a small number of SRVAF transports engaged in supporting the final offensive against South Vietnam have got the Viet Cong insignia – instead of the usual North Vietnamese, ironically maintaining that “no” North Vietnamese forces would be involved in the invasion of the South.

    In general – and despite some problems with the maintenance, due to the lack of spares - the SRVAF preferred the F-5As and F-5Es to MiGs for air-to-ground missions, because they could carry heftier warloads over better ranges. Also, the A-37s were used – with a considerable success – for close-air-support, sometimes also in coordination with Mi-24As. The AFKLA’s response was minimal: it is known that it continued to fly some transport and liaison operations, and there are rumours that few F-6Cs also survived the initial Vietnamese strikes, and flew a number of combat sorties – perhaps flown by Chinese pilots. There is no firm confirmation for this yet, however.

    While the Khmer concentration at Fishhook was methodically destroyed, two Vietnamese divisions continued the advance deeper into Cambodia. In face of fanatic counterattacks, on 30 December 1978 Kracheh was captured, and two days later also Stung Treng. The Vietnamese then landed Marines and the 12th Division into the port of Kampot, in order to prevent Chinese from resupplying the Khmer: the Marines continued a swift advance along the coast.


    SRVAF CH-47A of the 917th Regiment seen while unloading 2.75-in air-to-ground rockets at a Cambodian airfield during the operations of 1979. The rockets would be used by a detachment of UH-1H gunships. (Albert Grandolini collection)
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    http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_411.shtml



    Many Ex ARVN was in the PVA during the Cambodia invasion against the Khmer Rouge


    A some Ex F-5 Are now today in War Museum in Vietnam





    Taken from this place about the Hanoi Museum
    http://richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/M...can/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panchito12 View Post
    ..except that in the hands of experienced aggressor pilots it used to wax "Cadillacs" on an hourly basis.

    p.s. And when our battle group exercised with the Chilean AF, the F14 pilots spoke glowingly of the Chilean's skill with the F5 (but held the Mirages in pure contempt).
    Oh certainly. A sound aircraft in the hands of a skilled pilot is not something to disregard. So don't get me wrong, I like VW Beetles.

    I was just attempting to explain why the USAF didn't pursue them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiptox View Post
    Oh certainly. A sound aircraft in the hands of a skilled pilot is not something to disregard. So don't get me wrong, I like VW Beetles.

    I was just attempting to explain why the USAF didn't pursue them.
    USAF generals just don't like simple cheap designs. They want shiny designs with lots of gizmo's. Just look how they treated the A-10.

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    I'm surprised the Soviets never got to look at Indian Jaguars, Sea Harriers or Mirage 2ks. Not talking hand overs just technical inspections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Max- View Post
    In air combats with MiG-21, F-5 did show extremly well, surprisingly winning almost of all fights according to reports, that gave Soviet aircraft designers a push to develop new types, like MiG-23.
    Pilots who were flying F-5E, are Vladimir Kandaurov, Alexander Bezhevets and Nikolay Stogov.
    I have hard time taking this at face value, the fact is that any variant of MiG-21 had superior speed, rate of climb and acceleration than any F-5, and in agility its a very close match if not equal, so if they actually won, that would be because of the individual pilot skills, and the parameters of the simulation, not any edge that the machine had, because it did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inflatable Infidel View Post
    I have hard time taking this at face value, the fact is that any variant of MiG-21 had superior speed, rate of climb and acceleration than any F-5, and in agility its a very close match if not equal, so if they actually won, that would be because of the individual pilot skills, and the parameters of the simulation, not any edge that the machine had, because it did not.
    I beg to disagree.

    The F-5 has several advantages over the MiG-21. It has a larger payload and a superior range and endurance. With its tighter turning radius, it is also a better dogfighter than the MiG-21. And when it comes to handling characteristics, the F-5 is easier and safer to fly than the MiG-21 who has the reputation of being quite tricky to handle due to its small wings.

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    any info about russian F-14, ther were many infos about at minimum 1 F-14 defecting to the soviet union from iran

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkSide View Post
    any info about russian F-14, ther were many infos about at minimum 1 F-14 defecting to the soviet union from iran
    Urban legend. It never happened.

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    Scan from Squadron Signal publication....







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    Thumbs up

    Thanks for sharing, enforcer.

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