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    Skilled Immigrants: The Stimulus We Need?

    NEAL PEIRCE / DEC 26 2009

    For Release Sunday, December 27, 2009
    © 2009 Washington Post Writers Group

    Are skilled and entrepreneurial immigrants the economic stimulus that America needs? Could lowered barriers help regions like the country’s Rustbelt prosper again?

    That’s the audacious case that Cleveland immigration attorney Richard T. Herman and his journalist co-author, Robert L. Smith, make in their new book– “Immigrant Inc.”

    The mere thought that immigrants are an American asset, not a liability, puts a whole new face on the Lou Dobbs-style attacks on America’s 12 million undocumented immigrants that CNN so long tolerated, and right-wing media still promote.

    The rancor over illegals, Herman and Smith argue, obscures the fact that legal immigrants make up the bulk of America’s foreign-born population. Rather than agonize over youth scaling Mexican border walls, they’d have us focus on the thousands of would-be immigrants standing in consulate lines around the world–and often forced to wait years if not decades to enter the U.S. legally.

    That queue of would-be legal migrants, they argue, encompasses “brilliant engineers, high-technology specialists, investors and merchants almost certain to become entrepreneurs.” If our antiquated immigration laws didn’t so often and needlessly exclude them, many more would be arriving to stoke economic activity “in whatever part of America they land.”

    The story’s not new. Immigrants were founders of such corporations as Dow Chemical, DuPont, Pfizer, Proctor & Gamble and Carnegie (later U.S.) Steel. And not just yesteryear: immigrants founded Google, Yahoo, Intel, PayPal and YouTube. Since 1995 they’ve formed more than half of new Silicon Valley firms, driving one of the world’s hottest economies.

    The problem is we have a dinosaur of an immigration system–one that discriminates against talented scientists and engineers who want to come here. Only nine percent of the coveted “green cards” –immigrant visas for permanent U.S. residency–go to people coming to practice a profession, pursue science or start a company.

    It’s as if we weren’t in a fiercely competitive century in which the globe’s most talented mathematicians, engineers and chemists, if they’re excluded here, can as easily choose to form their world-class companies in Banglalore, Beijing, Tel Aviv, Seoul or Singapore.

    And the gain’s not just in super-scientists and high-flying corporate successes. Our cities benefit. Immigrant storefronts, University of Massachusetts researchers report, pack the power to spark commercial revivals on poor and lonely streets, their sales of fresh foods, flowers and phone cards generating foot traffic and enhancing safety.

    A case in point: the West Philadelphia neighborhood around 52nd and Market Streets, an African-American community fallen on hard times with job losses and violent crime. But Liberian immigrants have been flooding in so that even on weekdays sidewalk tables laden with merchandise stretch on for blocks, selling everything from clothing to watches and sunglasses. Immigrant-run shops, stores and restaurants are proliferating.

    There a downside. At least for a time, immigrants may depress wages, especially in the lower-income range. But studies show high-immigrant cities enjoy more robust economies than those with few newcomers–that immigrants and the businesses they create provide rundown neighborhoods with a powerful jolt of new investment and spinoff job opportunities.

    New York, Miami, Seattle, Boston all provide evidence that the formula works. But Herman argues such older and lagging cities as Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Buffalo and Detroit need a shot of the same adrenaline. He praises a turnaround in Philadelphia, which managed to gain 113,000 immigrants from 2000 to 2006 despite City Hall indifference. By contrast, the new mayor, Michael Nutter, enthusiastically calls Philadelphia “an immigrant-friendly city.” A Welcoming Center for New Pennsylvanians, formed by a citizen activist in 2003, has helped 6,000 immigrants from 86 countries with “English for Entrepreneurs” classes, employment, business and accounting courses.

    It’s high time, Herman says, for the businesses and allied forces of the Midwest to press Congress to create a Great Lakes “High Skill Immigration Zone” to let the frostbelt cities more easily recruit skilled immigrants. The thicket of federal regulations restricting entry by skilled foreigners would be thinned for the region, with a goal of fresh start-ups and easier job recruitment to help its cities and metros start excelling in such emerging areas as biotechnology and clean and renewable energy technology.

    Thirty chambers of commerce of the Great Lakes Region–Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Milwaukee and Youngstown among them, last year, at Herman’s urging, endorsed high skill immigration zones as critical to their growth. A new organization, Global Detroit, has been formed to research and then press for ways to make America’s hardest-hit major metro region more attractive to a range of migrants from many countries.

    Smarter immigration policies–national, regional, city–don’t mean throwing the doors wide open to any and all comers any time. But it’s also true: we’ve never more acutely needed a steady flow of the world’s skilled and strivers–newest believers in the American Dream, a virtually guaranteed stimulus to our economy and to our creative capacity for this century.
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    Immigrants with valuable education and skills really do benefit this country. So do entrants with money to invest, or starting new busineses. They should be allowed, even encouraged, to come here. But too many of the newcomers are impoverished and uneducated, without any particularly sought-after skills. We can do without these people, however much we may sympathize with their plight.
    When I lived in Kansas City, a local school district was having trouble finding enough instructors for high school French. Apparently the candidates they interviewed lacked a sufficient grasp of the language to be able to teach it, even though they all had degrees (in secondary education however, not French) and the needed credentials. Somehow, the desperate school district found some Belgians, fluent in French and English, and very interested in coming over for a while to teach. The Belgians did come to Kansas City; they did a fine job from all accounts, enjoying their stay, and were well liked by their students and the other teachers. But this wasn't good enough for the INS, which determined that the district hadn't made sure no American citizens could be found to teach their classes, before hiring the foreigners. So the Belgian teachers were sent back home, after all the trouble and expense, and the district had to start recruiting all over again. I never learned what they did about finding the needed French teachers. But this illustrates the idiocy of our immigration system. People with needed skills are turned away, while others who have no such needed background or abilities enter America by the thousands, with little effort made to stop them from coming.

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    What a load! Cheap labor, an even bigger reason for them to import the "highly-skilled". It has gotten to a point where they just will not hire Americans - they prefer to hire foreign workers because: they cost less, they are easier to boss around, and, it seems, foreigners that get into power only seem to hire foreigners. These "highly-skilled" and "educated" foreigners almost always have falsified resumes and save the US and Foreign companies that incredible week or two it would take to get the US citizens, native and naturalized, and green card guys up to speed. Unfortunately, I've witnessed this firsthand in the engineering industry. More disturbing, go to any university and look at the country of origin of the department head, I guarantee you that almost everyone in the graduate department will be from that same country. I'm sure I sound xenophobic, but the reality is that Americans, from all walks of life, have become disenfranchised in our own country, and the trend is only getting worse.

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    Isn't USA actually a country built by immigrants?

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    Well, in South Africa we've had a brain drain for a while, mostly young English-speaking white professional couples.
    Recently we opened our borders to SADC countries (our neighbours) and we've got a whole lot of cheap labour (particularly Zimbambweans and Mozambicans). Now the local black okes might bitch and moan about job losses but I have personally benefitted.

    I share a Zim domestic worker with my brother. I pay normal SA domestic worker rates and for that I get someone who was a teacher in Zim, and who really appreciates the work and thus does it well.
    A lot of the Zim middle class came down here (AFAIK we have a third of Zim's population living here now), so we pretty much have a big pool of well-educated people eager for work.

    Teachers, doctors, (they can keep their lawyers thank you very much), accountants, academics, cricket and rugby players (like Beast http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/r...w-1015353.html)

    Okay, given the recent xenophobia attacks in SA, maybe life isn't that great for the bulk of the immigrants, but in my opinion it's been good for SA overall.

    So I think the US can benefit from immigration...

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    Quote Originally Posted by daily666 View Post
    Isn't USA actually a country built by immigrants?
    Yes, and immigrants were always hated by the previous generation of immigrants. "back then" Poles, italians, irish and jews, were the "immigrant scum", as soon as you get a certain "seniority" you have the god given right to hate and blame someoneless and feel "less immigrant". Thats how USA works

    The article is horsecrap, there is enough skilled immigrants deleivering pizzas. The immigrants are needed for their money, and their children.

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    What, you're all out of skilled americans?

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    I'm all for legal immigration, and updating old policies to streamline the process for skilled and educated folks that want to come here and live their American Dream.

    But with unemployment as high as it is, how does adding more people to compete for less jobs work out? What am I missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor1 View Post
    What, you're all out of skilled americans?
    No, but the jobs which these skilled US workers had were all shipped out to china or replaced with cheaper labour .

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    Quote Originally Posted by seraosha View Post
    I'm all for legal immigration, and updating old policies to streamline the process for skilled and educated folks that want to come here and live their American Dream.

    But with unemployment as high as it is, how does adding more people to compete for less jobs work out? What am I missing?
    In theory it sounds nice to bring only highly skilled workforce into the US. however, things are not that simple. I do not remember where I read and whether it is 100% true. But it actually takes 6 unskilled workers to "support" hiring 1 skilled professional. If the US keeps importing only skilled workers, the Americans may be "forced" to take lower paying jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.K View Post
    Yes, and immigrants were always hated by the previous generation of immigrants. "back then" Poles, italians, irish and jews, were the "immigrant scum", as soon as you get a certain "seniority" you have the god given right to hate and blame someoneless and feel "less immigrant". Thats how USA works

    The article is horsecrap, there is enough skilled immigrants deleivering pizzas. The immigrants are needed for their money, and their children.
    Hehe, thanks for pointing this out. Acutally my question led to such answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seraosha View Post
    I'm all for legal immigration, and updating old policies to streamline the process for skilled and educated folks that want to come here and live their American Dream.

    But with unemployment as high as it is, how does adding more people to compete for less jobs work out? What am I missing?
    I guarantee you that unemployment is no issue in a lot of companies.
    I know companies here searching skilled workers for years. Even now they have to reject orders because the lack of capacity in form of skilled workers.
    It's very hard to find no job in my area.

    I guess we should distinguish between structural unemployment and temporary unemployment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackie View Post
    I guarantee you that unemployment is no issue in a lot of companies.
    I know companies here searching skilled workers for years. Even now they have to reject orders because the lack of capacity in form of skilled workers.
    It's very hard to find no job in my area.
    Which part of the country do you live in then ?:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawel1410 View Post
    Which part of the country do you live in then ?:
    http://maps.google.de/maps?q=biberac...ed=0CAsQ8gEwAA

    southern Germany, Biberach.
    100km South of Stuttgart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackie View Post
    I guess we should distinguish between structural unemployment and temporary unemployment.
    Maybe we should distinguish between Germany and the US, since the article is clearly targeted to the current immigration issues being experienced in the US?
    Not a shut down, but maybe a nudge back on course?

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