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    Quote Originally Posted by HellToupee View Post
    They created higher standard of living for only one element of the population. Poverty is rife, white minority simply makes for easiest target.
    Ah so if the Dutch and other European settlers didn't arrive in South Africa and invested in the land they had respected as their own, do you really think South Africa's infrastructure and economic activity would be where it is today? White investment in the land was essential for the development of South Africa. I mean just compare South Africa to all other south-Saharan countries where white commitment to the land (rather than just being colonial rulers) was much less.

    That's why I said the people who lifted up an African country to a different standard than others. It seems the ANC is dedicated to tear South Africa and make it resemble a true black African society. Like that's not racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HellToupee View Post
    They created higher standard of living for only one element of the population. Poverty is rife, white minority simply makes for easiest target.
    A portion of the population might have been better off, but the construction of roads, railways, phone lines, electricity, etc etc has been of benefit to all.

    Just look at the rest of Africa where they don't have infrastructure and you'll see what real poverty looks like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drevil5000 View Post
    A portion of the population might have been better off, but the construction of roads, railways, phone lines, electricity, etc etc has been of benefit to all.

    Just look at the rest of Africa where they don't have infrastructure and you'll see what real poverty looks like.
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    Yes, thanks for saying that. All peoples have contributed to South Africa, but the European settlers' commitment to make the land prosperous in comparison to the lack of infrastructure in countries which lacked such investment is obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunte View Post
    not sure I want to go there this summer!!!

    No plz do just don't go uninformed

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeWolf View Post
    Ah so if the Dutch and other European settlers didn't arrive in South Africa and invested in the land they had respected as their own, do you really think South Africa's infrastructure and economic activity would be where it is today? White investment in the land was essential for the development of South Africa. I mean just compare South Africa to all other south-Saharan countries where white commitment to the land (rather than just being colonial rulers) was much less.

    That's why I said the people who lifted up an African country to a different standard than others. It seems the ANC is dedicated to tear South Africa and make it resemble a true black African society. Like that's not racism.
    White commitment was to white land, they focused all development on the minority their ultimate goal was to relocate blacks to their own lands and make them independent and separate from the white, the majority were still in poverty under white rule, the only difference is now the rulers now have to cater to the majority rather than propping up a small minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drevil5000 View Post
    A portion of the population might have been better off, but the construction of roads, railways, phone lines, electricity, etc etc has been of benefit to all.

    Just look at the rest of Africa where they don't have infrastructure and you'll see what real poverty looks like.
    Other african nations have all that to, South Africa is not the best in Africa poverty wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HellToupee View Post
    White commitment was to white land, they focused all development on the minority their ultimate goal was to relocate blacks to their own lands and make them independent and separate from the white, the majority were still in poverty under white rule, the only difference is now the rulers now have to cater to the majority rather than propping up a small minority.
    They focused all their development there? You sure? So no money went to non-white communities, you believe this?

    Yeah right, and who is using the road and electricity and universities and everything that's there thanks to European settlers? And the ANC listening to the people? Well if the direction South Africa is going is the people's wish then geez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HellToupee View Post
    White commitment was to white land, they focused all development on the minority their ultimate goal was to relocate blacks to their own lands and make them independent and separate from the white, the majority were still in poverty under white rule, the only difference is now the rulers now have to cater to the majority rather than propping up a small minority.


    at the end of Apartheid there was 8 Black only universities

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeWolf View Post
    They focused all their development there? You sure? So no money went to non-white communities, you believe this?

    Yeah right, and who is using the road and electricity and universities and everything that's there thanks to European settlers? And the ANC listening to the people? Well if the direction South Africa is going is the people's wish then geez.
    Do you seriously believe the money they spent on blacks was anywhere near the amount invested in whites? Amount government spent on educating a black was 1/10th that of a white. Whites made up less than 10% of the population, without apartheid theres no way for whites to maintain the living standards they had.

    Dwelm, those 8 universities were part of the homeland system, not built out of desire to educate but further segregate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HellToupee View Post
    Other african nations have all that to, South Africa is not the best in Africa poverty wise.
    ok name the african countries that have infrastructure on par or better than SA.

    The only one that comes close is Zim and thats because it was under white rule too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drevil5000 View Post
    ok name the african countries that have infrastructure on par or better than SA.

    The only one that comes close is Zim and thats because it was under white rule too.
    And isn't most of that gone as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HellToupee View Post
    Do you seriously believe the money they spent on blacks was anywhere near the amount invested in whites? Amount government spent on educating a black was 1/10th that of a white. Whites made up less than 10% of the population, without apartheid theres no way for whites to maintain the living standards they had.

    Dwelm, those 8 universities were part of the homeland system, not built out of desire to educate but further segregate.
    In the past blacks contributed almost nothing to tax revenues so of course their communities got less funding. Also, the homelands were completely funded by the SA gov, most of this money was squandered through corruption by the homeland governments which is why there is no development there.

    And even nowadays whites still contribute 65% of tax revenues while most blacks get free water & elec, free rdp houses, and free grants every month. Whites have been paying for blacks from the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sepheronx View Post
    And isn't most of that gone as well?
    No. The electricity grid is taking strain though because all the townships have been electrified and those people dont have to pay. Which is why is why our elec price is being increases by 35% a year for the next 3 years.

    Maintenance on the rest of the infrastructure is a bit lacking but it is happening slowly but surely.

    Things in zim are falling apart though due to lack of funding and mismanagement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drevil5000 View Post
    ok name the african countries that have infrastructure on par or better than SA.

    The only one that comes close is Zim and thats because it was under white rule too.
    Theres Libya, Gabon, Botwswana and Namibia is pretty close going off gdp.

    In the past blacks contributed almost nothing to tax revenues so of course their communities got less funding. Also, the homelands were completely funded by the SA gov, most of this money was squandered through corruption by the homeland governments which is why there is no development there.

    And even nowadays whites still contribute 65% of tax revenues while most blacks get free water & elec, free rdp houses, and free grants every month. Whites have been paying for blacks from the beginning.
    Thats because poor people don't generate alot of tax money, and when government spends 10times the money on one racial group then another it stays that way.

    Seriously what government in the world decides spending based on what racial group pays the most tax? Let alone spending more money on those that have the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drevil5000 View Post
    No. The electricity grid is taking strain though because all the townships have been electrified and those people dont have to pay. Which is why is why our elec price is being increases by 35% a year for the next 3 years.

    Maintenance on the rest of the infrastructure is a bit lacking but it is happening slowly but surely.

    Things in zim are falling apart though due to lack of funding and mismanagement.


    It's hard to imagine Zim getting any worse than it already is. Will SA follow down that path? It might. Unfortunately it will get worse as the majority rule squanders what's left and corruption grows. The ANC is a joke, majority rule is too and the people who knew this long ago while the libs fell in love with them, are now having the last laugh.

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