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    Default Future of Obama's energy policy




    Abandoned South Point Wind Farm Hawaii

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    Not sure what this has to do with Obama.

    But apparently these wind turbines, which were installed in 1986, have now been replaced by the Pakini Nui Wind Farm

    http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/info/energy/renewable/wind

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    sometimes a picture is not worth a thousand words. This is one of those

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    Nothing whatsoever to do with Obama - supposedly a selective pic to prove a non-existent point.

    Notwithstanding - the cap and trade proposals from the Administration should be resisted AT ALL COSTS - they represent a clear and present danger to the future of the country - unemployment, deeper recession, lack of incentive and little to no benefit - ahh but the government will get a cut of every deal!!! Nothing more than a back door tax on everyone for something we all must have.

    Re-newable energy is wonderful, but has anyone anywhere looked at how much it will cost? Look at the website of your state Public Utilities Commission and look at the tabled requests from utilities to increase rates and for what - always shocked, never surprised.

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    Its funny; just today I read a conservative opinion piece that referenced Hawaii's windfarms:
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/..._ghosts_1.html

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    Nothing really wrong with wind power. It's the structure and way it is integrated where you run into problems. Texas is the #1 wind power generating state in the US currently. However, it is treated only as a supplemental source rather than a source that is relied upon. The power is purchased in units and integrated into the grid according to availability. We came to the conclusion that there really isn't much of a substitute for coal or hydrocarbon fired power plants. Nuclear was an option but the Clinton administration put the coffin nail in that opportunity and we have yet to see anyone push the subject.

    When subsidies run out like there in Hawaii and soon in Denmark and Spain the wind industry tends to either float or crash and burn quickly. Actual reliable wind power generation is between 1.2% to 3% of our total generation capacity and most realistic estimates aim towards the lower number. That's enough to float the industry in Texas (which is mostly private industry) without subsidies but not by much. I see a bleak future in Denmark, Switzerland, Germany, and Spain now that they are or are going to be pulling the subsidies for their farms (ironic that they need them to function).

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    Winds only getting more viable, the technology has improved alot and non-rewable energy costs are increasing as production peaks

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