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Mandela let us down - Winnie
2010-03-09
Johannesburg - Struggle stalwart Winnie Madikizela-Mandela bitterly lashed out at Nelson Mandela in an interview published in the London Evening Standard this week.
She said South Africa's first democratically elected president, who is also her ex-husband, had become a "corporate foundation" who was being "wheeled out to collect the money".
Madikizela-Mandela also called Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu a "cretin", in the interview with Nadira Naipaul, who visited her with her husband, the writer VS Naipaul, in Soweto.
"Mandela let us down," said Madikizela-Mandela.
'Bad deal for the blacks'
"He agreed to a bad deal for the blacks. Economically, we are still on the outside.
"The economy is very much 'white'. It has a few token blacks, but so many who gave their life in the struggle have died unrewarded," said Madikizela-Mandela, in the interview published on www.standard.co.uk.
She said Mandela had no control over the ANC anymore and was just being used by the Nelson Mandela Foundation to get funds.
"Look what they make him do. The great Mandela. He has no control or say any more. They put that huge statue of him right in the middle of the most affluent 'white' area of Johannesburg. Not here where we spilled our blood and where it all started.
"Mandela is now a corporate foundation. He is wheeled out globally to collect the money and he is content doing that. The ANC have effectively sidelined him but they keep him as a figurehead for the sake of appearance."
Others also suffered
Madikizela-Mandela said Mandela was not the only leader who suffered.
"This name Mandela is an albatross around the necks of my family. You all must realise that Mandela was not the only man who suffered. There were many others, hundreds who languished in prison and died.
"Many unsung and unknown heroes of the struggle, and there were others in the leadership too, like poor Steve Biko, who died of the beatings, horribly all alone.
"Mandela did go to prison and he went in there as a burning young revolutionary. But look what came out."
Madikizela-Mandela criticised him for accepting the Nobel Peace Prize with the apartheid government's last president, FW de Klerk.
"I cannot forgive him for going to receive the Nobel [Peace Prize in 1993] with his jailer [FW] de Klerk. Hand in hand they went.
"Do you think De Klerk released him from the goodness of his heart? He had to. The times dictated it, the world had changed, and our struggle was not a flash in the pan, it was bloody to say the least and we had given rivers of blood.
"I had kept it alive with every means at my disposal."
TRC 'charade'
She also lashed out at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission process, criticising Tutu, its chairperson.
"Look at this Truth and Reconciliation charade. He [Mandela] should never have agreed to it.
"What good does the truth do? How does it help anyone to know where and how their loved ones were killed or buried? That Bishop Tutu who turned it all into a religious circus came here.
"He had the cheek to tell me to appear. I told him a few home truths. I told him that he and his other like-minded cretins were only sitting here because of our struggle and me. Because of the things I and people like me had done to get freedom."
Looking back, she said the movement's actions were badly planned.
"You know, sometimes I think we had not thought it all out. There was no planning from our side. How could we? We were badly educated and the leadership does not acknowledge that. Maybe we have to go back to the drawing board and see where it all went wrong."
- SAPA
http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthA..._down_-_Winnie
ANC looking for Winnie
2010-03-09
Johannesburg - The ANC was trying to contact MP Winnie Madikizela-Mandela to find out if she really said Nelson Mandela had let down black people, an official said on Tuesday.
"She is in the US now and we are in the process of trying to locate her," said ANC spokesperson Ishmael Mnisi.
"We want to ask her if these comments were made by her; if this is exactly what she said."
Mnisi denied a report that she would be called to explain herself at the next national executive committee meeting next week.
Verification
"That is not correct. What we said is that we would wait for her to verify if these reports are truly attributed to her," said Mnisi.
The struggle stalwart lashed out at South Africa's first democratically elected president, who is also her ex-husband, in an interview published in the London Evening Standard this week.
She said Mandela had become a "corporate foundation" who was being "wheeled out to collect the money".
Madikizela-Mandela also called Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu a "cretin", in the interview with Nadira Naipaul, who visited her with her husband, the writer VS Naipaul, in Soweto.
"Mandela let us down," said Madikizela-Mandela.
"He agreed to a bad deal for the blacks. Economically, we are still on the outside."
"The economy is very much 'white'. It has a few token blacks, but so many who gave their life in the struggle have died unrewarded," said Madikizela-Mandela, in the interview published on www.standard.co.uk.
No control
She said Mandela had no control over the ANC anymore and was just being used by the Nelson Mandela Foundation to get funds.
"Look what they make him do. The great Mandela. He has no control or say any more. They put that huge statue of him right in the middle of the most affluent 'white' area of Johannesburg. Not here where we spilled our blood and where it all started."
"Mandela is now a corporate foundation. He is wheeled out globally to collect the money and he is content doing that. The ANC have effectively sidelined him but they keep him as a figurehead for the sake of appearance."
Madikizela-Mandela said Mandela was not the only leader who suffered.
"This name Mandela is an albatross around the necks of my family. You all must realise that Mandela was not the only man who suffered. There were many others, hundreds who languished in prison and died."
"Many unsung and unknown heroes of the struggle, and there were others in the leadership too, like poor Steve Biko, who died of the beatings, horribly all alone."
"Mandela did go to prison and he went in there as a burning young revolutionary. But look what came out."
Cannot forgive
Madikizela-Mandela criticised him for accepting the Nobel Peace Prize with the apartheid government's last president, FW de Klerk.
"I cannot forgive him for going to receive the Nobel (Peace Prize in 1993) with his jailer (FW) de Klerk. Hand in hand they went."
"Do you think De Klerk released him from the goodness of his heart? He had to. The times dictated it, the world had changed, and our struggle was not a flash in the pan, it was bloody to say the least and we had given rivers of blood."
"I had kept it alive with every means at my disposal."
She also lashed out at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission process, criticising Tutu, its chairperson.
Truth
"Look at this Truth and Reconciliation charade. He (Mandela) should never have agreed to it."
"What good does the truth do? How does it help anyone to know where and how their loved ones were killed or buried? That Bishop Tutu who turned it all into a religious circus came here."
"He had the cheek to tell me to appear. I told him a few home truths. I told him that he and his other like-minded cretins were only sitting here because of our struggle and me. Because of the things I and people like me had done to get freedom."
Looking back, she said the movement's actions were badly planned.
"You know, sometimes I think we had not thought it all out. There was no planning from our side. How could we? We were badly educated and the leadership does not acknowledge that. Maybe we have to go back to the drawing board and see where it all went wrong."
- SAPA
http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthA...ing_for_Winnie
Kettle calling teapot.............
While Mandela was in prison she and her Mandela (who was using who?) Football Club killed many blacks, sometimes just on the suspicion of helping the apartheid government. They would also intimidate people into taking part in ANC protests, threatening them with disfigurement, and sometimes necklacing people. She and her ilk are still unhappy because there wasn't a war between the ANC and the apartheid government... guess they wanted millions of their people to die for nothing.
Fabulous words from someone who justified her partisans' use of the "Firestone collar" technique."This name Mandela is an albatross around the necks of my family."
Mandela, Arafat, Qaddafi, Castro, etc.
These people are not exactly heroes in my opinion.
"Mrs Mandela became notorious in 1991 when she was jailed for six years for the kidnap of Stompie Moeketsi - a sentence later cut to a fine.
Stompie, 14, had been murdered three years earlier by members of Mrs Mandela's bodyguard, the Mandela United Football Club.
She also caused outrage by endorsing the punishment of apartheid collaborators with ' necklacing' - putting burning tyres around their necks."
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"In the late Eighties, Winnie's thuggish bodyguards, the Mandela United Football Club, terrorised Soweto. Club "captain" was Jerry Richardson, who died in prison last year while serving life for the murder of Stompie Moeketsi, a 14-year-old who was kidnapped with three other boys and beaten in the home where we would soon sit, sipping coffee. Winnie was sentenced to six years for kidnap, which was reduced to a fine on appeal.
Members of the gang would later testify to South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission that Winnie had ordered the torture, murder and kidnap of her own people, and even participated directly."
http://www.narbosa.com/2010/03/winni...or-bloody.html
Oh, and in case my US friends are not aware, she's over there commemorating Selma...
I'd pay money to have a stuntman run across the stage while Winnie's speaking lit on fire with a tire around his neck....that would be Youtube viral gold!
Winnie should STFU.
Winnie's idea of a successful first class nation is Zim. Someone needs to give her nice right cross.
Who's he then? He was fighting white oppression fyi(without taking up arms).Originally Posted by Jobu
He was the head shot caller of Umkhonto we Sizwe. Enuff said.
I was fooled back in my school days that Mandela was running a legit non violent movement like what MLK had done. As the cause was surely legit.......but then i grew older and wiser.
Rubbish.
You need to educate yourself further on the subject.
He might have been fighting white opression, but by no means in a peaceful way. They often bragged about the whites they killed in the '60's in flyers etc. Chopping them up...
Also, here is a document that formed part of the ANC treason trial which landed so many ANC heads in prison, along with Mandela. Taken from the ANC's own website.
Plans for a violent coup:
INTERNAL ORGANISATION.
In preparation for the commencement of operations when our external team lands, intensive as well as extensive work will have been done. For instance, guerrilla units will have been set up in the main areas mapped out in Part I above as well as in the other areas away from the immediate scene of operation.
Progressively sabotage activity throughout the country will be stepped up before these operations. Political pressure too, in the meanwhile will be stepped up in conjunction with the sabotage activity.
In furtherance of the general ideas set out above the plan for internal organisation is along the following pattern: -
- Our target is that on arrival the external force should find at least 7,000 men in the four main areas ready to join the guerrilla army in the initial onslaught. Those will be allocated as follows: -
- Eastern Cape - Transkei 2,000
- Natal - Zululand 2,000
- North Western Transvaal 2,000
- North-Western Cape 1,000
- To realise our target in each of the main areas it is proposed that each of the four areas should have an overall command whose task it will be to divide its area into regions, which in turn will be allocated a figure in proportion to their relative importance.
- The preparation for equipping the initial force envisaged in I above will take place in three stages, thus:
- By importation of Military supply at two levels:
- Build up of firearms, ammunition and explosives by maintaining a regular flow over a period of time.
- By landing additional [supplies] simultaneously with the arrival of our external force.
- Acquisition and accumulation internally of firearms, ammunition and explosives at all levels of our organisation.
- Collection and accumulation of other military such as food, medicines, communication equipment etc.
- It is proposed that auxiliary guerrilla/sabotage units in the four main areas be set up before and after the commencement of operations. They may engage in activities that may serve to disperse the enemy forces, assist to maintain the fighting ability of the guerrillas as well as draw in the masses in support of the guerrillas.
- It is proposed that in areas falling outside the four main guerrilla areas MK units should be set up to act in support of the activities in the guerrilla areas, and to harass the enemy.
- In order to draw in the masses of the population the political wing should arouse the people to participate in the struggles that are designed to create an upheaval throughout the country.
http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/mk/mayibuye.html
Last edited by Rudolph; 03-10-2010 at 07:55 AM.
Don't forget the 100's of little white children and women blown apart from bombs planted in shopping centres by the organisation Nelson Mandela headed - Umkhonto we Sizwe.
And the tens of thousands of innocent black lives murdered, tortured and necklaced by his department whilst they tried to make the country ungovernable. The levels of violent crime and murder in South Africa can also be squarely laid down at the ANC's door for encouraging violence for decades.
Nelson Mandela could have been released 15 to 20 years earlier. All he had to do was renounce violence. He chose not to. He was on the USA's terrorist list as well.
Sorry to burst your bubble about "saint" Nelson Mandela.
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Victims of the ANC Church Street Bombing, 1983, 19 dead, 200 injured:
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