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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambassador View Post
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    They were resold to the Algerian navy.

    Really? Didn't knew that! Thanks for the info!!!!

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    Did i pick up right on T26 from camerons statement that it was back to the drawing board for the design?

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    I'm not sure but he may have, since there will be:

    • C1 (Type 26) - An Anti Submarine Warfare task group enabled platform
    • C2 (Type xx) - A more general purpose platform.

    Maybe it is development on the C2 platform.

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    I'm not sure but he may have, since there will be:

    C1 (Type 26) - An Anti Submarine Warfare task group enabled platform
    C2 (Type xx) - A more general purpose platform.
    Maybe it is development on the C2 platform.

    given UK ship type designations the C2 platform should be the Type 83 Frigate given

    2 =ASW
    4 = AAW
    6 =Aircraft direction
    8 =General Purpose

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    the interesting announcement is the new multi purpose hull for MCMV/OPV/Survey how long till we need to replace HMS Roebuck & Hunt class MCMV?

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    Why won't UK design its frigates to perform high-level ASW and AAW at the same time? Each hull's use will be maximized and each ship will be more useful that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MARK.TIGGER View Post
    the interesting announcement is the new multi purpose hull for MCMV/OPV/Survey how long till we need to replace HMS Roebuck & Hunt class MCMV?
    The Hunt's are long in the tooth but I suspect C3 will be a long time coming given the Echos and Rivers are only about 8 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambassador View Post
    Why won't UK design its frigates to perform high-level ASW and AAW at the same time? Each hull's use will be maximized and each ship will be more useful that way.
    Because we leant the hardway that cramming anti-surface, anti-air and anti-sub all on one platform often required too many design compromises or simply spiralled the pricetag to treasury displeasing levels.

    Better and more affordable to have frigates concentrating on anti-surface and anti-sub and Destroyers focusing on anti-air and anti-missile.

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    I see. Well I thought something comparable to the Aegis combat system may also have offered a viable multifunctional solution to the European navies also... Aegis ships typically cost $0.5~1 billion depending on the size and they can do practically everything except carrying a plane or diving underwater on their own. Spain has got a very capable fleet of those Aegis frigates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MARK.TIGGER View Post
    the interesting announcement is the new multi purpose hull for MCMV/OPV/Survey how long till we need to replace HMS Roebuck & Hunt class MCMV?
    yes, that was interesting.

    Infact i'd say C2 is dead and will be roled into C1 as a flexible cheaper Type 26 Frigate. C3 is very much alive again and the modular aspect means it can act as an OPV/Corvette.

    So post 2020 we could end up with 19 high end DD/FF and 14 low end Multi-role OPV/Corvettes. Not bad at all considering the trauma of the 2010 SDSR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambassador View Post
    Why won't UK design its frigates to perform high-level ASW and AAW at the same time? Each hull's use will be maximized and each ship will be more useful that way.
    Because traditionally the UK believed in dedicated platforms operating as part of a larger, harmonious battlegroup. It's difficult to get a positive balance between hull-form, weapons fit, cost, manning, survivability, etc.. I can't think of any ship that has truly achieved that. Having said that, the T45 hull has fantastic acoustic qualities, and there was alot of talk of simply adapting T45 to fulfill an asw role. For a nuber of reasons, it was decided to start mostly from scratch.

    Aegis is getting on a bit now, hence the ever increasing investment in its replacement. It also has some major flaws, such as being able to gain a decent horizon (normally being superstructure mounted). The RN has always believed in getting the best figting units, not the best compromises. Infact, it's experience with compromised designs (which were mostly intended for a constabulary role) is bad, you need only look at the Amazon class for instance.
    We may be forced to adopt a larger role for such designs (e.g. with economical commercial diesels for cruising), simply to maintain a reasonable number of hulls.

    Contrary to any sense of relief, 19 escorts is nowhere near the number required for the UK to fulfill it's foreign policy objectives. Since the last review in 1998, the escorts have been under increased pressure and demand... yet that review stipulated a minimum of 32 escorts.
    Much of the review is a complete fudge, and slashing away at the navy's workhorses is a classic example.

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    the hunts OSD are in the 2020's but Roebuck is something like 2014. The Echo's and Scott may be around for a very long time look at the Hecla and Bulldog classes they replaced.

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    Happyslapper the totals announced so far would indicate the escort level will settle on 18

    6 Type 45
    12 Type 26/83 (depending on wether they are ASW or General purpose)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MARK.TIGGER View Post
    Happyslapper the totals announced so far would indicate the escort level will settle on 18

    6 Type 45
    12 Type 26/83 (depending on wether they are ASW or General purpose)
    That's a post-2030 number. There's still the Type 23's too in the meantime, C2 (which will effectively be performed by T23 once T26 begin to enter service), and C3.

    Did i pick up right on T26 from camerons statement that it was back to the drawing board for the design?
    It's still in concept phase anyway, so it's not yet left the drawing board.
    My personal opinon throughout, is that the T26 looks like a fantastically capable warship, but the RN's immediate priority would be for the C2-type ship; one that is a cheap(ish) multi-role warship with low manning, efficient systems, off-the-shelf weapons and sensors, and quick-and-easy to produce.... and it should be ideal for constabulary work and capable of fitting into a warfighting task force.

    In short, we need a Leander MkII!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MARK.TIGGER View Post
    the hunts OSD are in the 2020's but Roebuck is something like 2014. The Echo's and Scott may be around for a very long time look at the Hecla and Bulldog classes they replaced.
    Roebuck was decommissioned 15 April 2010 and has been sold to the [*******#0645ad]Bangladesh Navy[/COLOR] for 5 million.

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