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    Default Why More U.S. Expatriates Are Turning In Their Passports Read more: http://www.time.

    Chicago native Ben loves his country and is proud to be an American. Yet the longtime resident of Melbourne has just relinquished his U.S. citizenship. "This is not something I did lightly or happily, but I saw no other choice," says Ben, a businessman who became an Australian citizen two years ago.
    His words resonate with another American expatriate, John, a business owner based near Lausanne, Switzerland, who like Ben asked that his last name be withheld for fear of alienating his family in the U.S. "Giving up my U.S. citizenship is a genuine option," says the Ohio native, who recently received his Swiss passport and is considering relinquishing his American one. "I am at a breaking point — being American costs me time [and] money, but mostly aggravation." (See 50 authentic American experiences.)
    For U.S. citizens, cutting ties with their native land is a drastic and irrevocable step. But as Overseas American Week, a lobbying effort by expatriate-advocacy groups, convenes in Washington this week, it's one that an increasing number of American expats are willing to take. According to government records, 502 expatriates renounced U.S. citizenship or permanent residency in the fourth quarter of 2009 — more than double the number of expatriations in all of 2008. And these figures don't include the hundreds — some experts say thousands — of applications languishing in various U.S. consulates and embassies around the world, waiting to be processed. While a small number of Americans hand in their passports each year for political reasons, the new surge in permanent expatriations is mainly because of taxes.
    Considering that an estimated 3 million to 6 million Americans reside abroad, the number of renouncements is small. But expatriate organizations say the recent increase reflects a growing dissatisfaction with the way the U.S. government treats its expats and their money: the U.S. is the only industrialized nation that taxes its overseas citizens, subjecting them to taxation in both their country of citizenship and country of residence. (See "U.S. vs. UBS: A Fight Over Secret Swiss Bank Accounts.")
    "Their income and wealth are generated largely outside the U.S., so why does the U.S. get a slice of that?" says Phil Hodgen, a California-based international tax attorney who helps Americans in the expatriation process. "More and more people see no long-term benefit to retaining U.S. citizenship."
    Additionally, the U.S. government has implemented tougher rules requiring expatriates to report any foreign bank accounts exceeding $10,000, with stiff financial penalties for noncompliance. "This system is widely perceived as overly complex with multiple opportunities for accidental mistakes, and life-altering penalties for inadvertent failures," Hodgen says.
    These stringent measures were put into place to prevent Americans from stashing undeclared assets in offshore banks, but they also make life increasingly difficult for millions of law-abiding expatriates. "The U.S. government creates conflict and abuses me," says business owner John. "I feel under duress to understand and comply with laws that have nothing to do with me and are constantly changing — almost never in my favor." (See the best business deals of 2009.)
    John says that since he moved to Europe 25 years ago, U.S. tax regulations have become more and more burdensome. "Every time I turn around, I get smacked in the face with some new restriction as a result of being a U.S. citizen abroad," he says. And because the U.S. government requires other countries to abide by its banking and financial rules when dealing with expatriates, Americans living abroad are often denied services because of the increasingly complex legalities and logistics involved in serving U.S. customers. Many U.S. expats report being turned away by banks and other institutions in their countries of residence only because they are American, according to American Citizens Abroad (ACA), a Geneva-based worldwide advocacy group for expatriate U.S. citizens.
    "We have become toxic citizens," says ACA founder Andy Sundberg. Paradoxically, by relinquishing their U.S. citizenship, expats can not only escape the financial burden of double taxation, but also strengthen the U.S. economy, he says, adding, "It will become much easier for these people to get a job abroad, and to set up, own and operate private companies that can promote American exports." (See "British Citizenship: Points Off for Protest?")
    Relinquishing U.S. citizenship is a fairly simple process: after filling in a few forms, and in some cases, paying an exit tax (based on the applicant's worldwide income and assets), the former citizen receives his canceled passport in the mail. But the decision can be difficult. "Cutting my ties with America hasn't been easy," says Ben, who as a foreigner can now spend only 90 days a year in the U.S. "My family and friends think I am a traitor. But the financial burden was killing me."





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    Sorry. Didn't know you left.

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    Same here...See yah lata !!!

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    Buy-bye you spinless pussies. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

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    More cheeseburgers for the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodMarine View Post
    Buy-bye you spinless pussies. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
    They were already out.
    That's why they gave it up.

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    You ever notice when you wave good-bye to someone, they are already at a distance? I'm not going to debate semantics with you. Use some common sense.

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    I met an American/German at the airport in Frankfurt last year who was on his way to Thailand for his honeymoon. His German and English were flawless (as opposed to me, where my German has deteriorated quite a bit). He had told me that he was not planning on returning to the USA and that he would most likely give up his citizenship and live in Germany. Was quite an interesting experience for me as I've never met someone before who wanted to give up their US citizenship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodMarine View Post
    You ever notice when you wave good-bye to someone, they are already at a distance? I'm not going to debate semantics with you. Use some common sense.
    Common sense would dictate that for a door to hit them on their way out, they would have to be leaving.
    As they are expatriates, they've already left.
    I'm sure these people have their reasons for giving up their citizenship.
    It doesn't make them spineless pussies.

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    So I guess you must be posting on here out of experience. Sorry if you are butthurt over my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodMarine View Post
    So I guess you must be posting on here out of experience. Sorry if you are butthurt over my opinion.
    Your opinion is doesn't matter to me champ.
    One of my parents gave up American citizenship.

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    I think I feel a lot better knowing that there are people that do it because maybe they have a well established career that put them in the situation and would lose too much otherwise, possibly starting back over in their life. That is, as opposed to those that may do it because of emotions brought on by their political views.

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    I don't see what is the hatred against these people. It's a decision that they made and will have to live by it. It's not like they dodged the draft.

    I saw on the news this morning that people that can afford the mortgages that they are paying foreclose because their house is worth 150K or more less than when they purchased it (around 20% of the foreclosures now can afford their mortgage and have a steady job). They are just walking out and us tax payers are bailing these douche bags out. More than one said they had no remorse as it is a financial decision. There are even companies that will assist you through the foreclosure to the extent that you will not lose too many points on your credit score. I have much more resentment for those douche bags vs someone that doesn't want to be a citizen of the US anymore.

    Big fvcking deal. We have many more douches that stay here and milk the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kant View Post
    Your opinion is doesn't matter to me champ.
    Obviously it is since you responded to my post. Right slick?
    One of my parents gave up American citizenship.
    I had a hunch the truth would come out. Good riddance and Kant... you can stop now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beNder View Post

    Big fvcking deal. We have many more douches that stay here and milk the system.
    Ex****ingxactly and well said. It's just some journalism that uncovers some people you would not know are out there unless you travel. They are less of a bother to me than everyone else who has ****ed our economy and then came running with their hands out.

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