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    Default Why does every assault rifle produced comes with a LMG version of of it?

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    They all look like extended assault rifles with a bipod on

    Why??? I've never seen these weapons in any war photos. You usually see Americans / Brits / Russians use M60+m249/GPMG+m249/PKM for support fire.

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    Marketing, if a country adopts them the Soldiers are already fairly familiar with how it operates if its based on the Standard Issue Rifle.

    Familiarity= Less Training time needed, Uses common Ammo/Magazines throughout the section

    And I would say the LSW & RPK are seen used in Numerous Pictures. I've yet to see actual US forces using the Colt

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    Yeah, The LSW and RPK theres pictures. The Dutch Marines IIRC use the Diemaco version of the Colt LMG

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    Simplicity of logistics, maintenance, and training. It demonstrates the versatility of modern firearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linedoggie View Post
    Marketing, if a country adopts them the Soldiers are already fairly familiar with how it operates if its based on the Standard Issue Rifle.

    Familiarity= Less Training time needed, Uses common Ammo/Magazines throughout the section

    And I would say the LSW & RPK are seen used in Numerous Pictures. I've yet to see actual US forces using the Colt
    Well, what about actual combat pictures? Pretty sure RPK74 is used in Chechnya, but L86 LSW in Afghanistan and Iraq? Don't think so

    Colt automatic rifle and LSW weren't used in the military in actual warfare

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew.manhorn View Post
    Well, what about actual combat pictures? Pretty sure RPK74 is used in Chechnya, but LSW in Afghanistan and Iraq? Don't think so

    Colt automatic rifle and LSW weren't used in the military in actual warfare
    Well there was pictures of some British unit training for Afghanistan equiped with the LSW, so they might have taken them. There is a couple picture of the LSW in Afghanistan. I have them in a book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinney_bmx View Post
    Yeah, The LSW and RPK theres pictures. The Dutch Marines IIRC use the Diemaco version of the Colt LMG
    About a 150 of them came with the Diemaco's we bought, they were given to the Marines, as they have only 2 infantry battalions. I believe Diemaco thought that if we liked them we would buy/equip the whole of the armed forces with them, we chose the minimi instead.

    edit: The Dutch Marines currently deployed in Afghanistan use it there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew.manhorn View Post
    Well, what about actual combat pictures? Pretty sure RPK74 is used in Chechnya, but L86 LSW in Afghanistan and Iraq? Don't think so

    Colt automatic rifle and LSW weren't used in the military in actual warfare
    Oh look its the LSW in Afghanistan..


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    Well look at this version of the Colt Automatic rifle for the A1, why bother when you have M60?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew.manhorn View Post
    Well look at this version of the Colt Automatic rifle for the A1, why bother when you have M60?

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    The idea behind these weapons, as stated previously, is mainly ammunition commonality and a reduction in weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew.manhorn View Post
    Well look at this version of the Colt Automatic rifle for the A1, why bother when you have M60?

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    Doctrinal Roles, that M16A1 version is the Browning Automatic Rifle role within the section.

    The M-60 is a Platoon level asset used on a tripod firing along fixed lines in the defence, ala the Browning M1919A4 and on the bipod in Assaults, ala Browning M1919A6.

    From FM 7-8 Infantry Platoon and Squad


    Machine Guns. M60 (7.62-mm) machine guns are the platoon's primary weapons against a dismounted enemy. They provide a high volume of lethal, accurate fires to break up enemy assaults. They also provide limited effects against lightly armored vehicles and cause vehicle crews to button-up and operate with reduced effectiveness. Leaders position machine guns to--
    • Concentrate fires where they want to kill the enemy.
    • Fire across the platoon front.
    • Cover obstacles by fire.
    • Tie-in with adjacent units.
    (1) The following definitions apply to the employment of machine guns.

    (a) Grazing fire. Grazing fire occurs when the center of the cone of fire dots not rise more than 1 meter (about waist high) above the ground. When firing over level or uniformly sloping terrain, a maximum of 600 meters of grazing fire can be obtained.

    (b) Dead space. Dead space is an area within the maximum effective range of a weapon, surveillance device, or observer that cannot be covered by fire and observation from a given position because of intervening obstacles, the nature of the ground, the characteristics of the trajectory, or the limitations of the pointing capabilities of the systems. The platoon covers dead space with another direct fire weapon, M203 fire, indirect fires, or mines (command-detonated Claymores). Additionally, the platoon leader should attempt to tic-in obstacles (wire and mines) and fires to cover dead space. He may also position OPs to observe dead space for another position.

    (c) Final protective line. A final protective line (FPL) is a predetermined line along which grazing fire is placed to stop an enemy assault. Where terrain allows, the platoon leader assigns a machine gun an FPL. Once in position, one soldier from the machine gun team walks the FPL to identify both dead space and grazing fire along its length

    (d) Principle direction of fire. A principle direction of fire (PDF) is a priority direction of fire assigned to cover an area which provides good fields of fire or has a likely avenue of approach. It is also used to provide mutual support to an adjacent unit. Guns are laid on the PDF if an FPL cannot be assigned due to terrain. If a PDF is assigned and other targets are not being engaged, guns are laid on the PDF.
    (2) Each gun is given a primary and secondary sector of fire. Their sectors of fire should overlap each other and those of adjacent platoons. A gunner fires in his secondary sector only if there are no targets in his primary sector, or when ordered to do so. Each gun's primary sector includes an FPL or a PDF The gun is laid on the FPL or PDF unless engaging other targets. When FPFs are called for, the gunner shifts to and engages on the FPL or PDF

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew.manhorn View Post
    Well, what about actual combat pictures? Pretty sure RPK74 is used in Chechnya, but L86 LSW in Afghanistan and Iraq? Don't think so

    Colt automatic rifle and LSW weren't used in the military in actual warfare
    Forget the name of the place in Africa where some Royal Marines got kidnapped or something (pretty hazy for me, I was fairly young when it happened) but I remember seeing pictures of British Forces using the L86 (?) there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew.manhorn View Post
    Well, what about actual combat pictures? Pretty sure RPK74 is used in Chechnya, but L86 LSW in Afghanistan and Iraq? Don't think so

    Colt automatic rifle and LSW weren't used in the military in actual warfare
    Someone's talking out of their ass again on mp.net, alert the forums police.

    Machine guns and these heavy barreled/bipod-equipped versions of rifles have gigantic different roles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Britishhawk View Post
    Oh look its the LSW in Afghanistan..
    Thats the picture I was thinking of, I guess it was training IN not for Afghanistan

    ps. you basically got pwned matthew

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    well, ours ALWAYS stay behind on rear party.

    no need for them. we have minimi, sa80, gpmg lt role, L129a1 and 40mm UGL at section level.

    plus no one wants them. no one ever wanted them.
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