any links yet to the white paper?
Hercules to go when A400m comes in & money wasted on Puma II programme
So a few points.
-Number of frigates and destroyers would drop from 23 to 19 by 2020
-The Army will lose 7,000 personnel, the RAF 5,000, the Navy 5,000 and the MoD 25,000 civilian staff over the next five years.
-Nimrod MR4 is axed.
-Ark Royal axed.
-Tanks/Artillery down by 40%
-Carrier to be CATOBAR.
-12 new Chinooks.
-Refurbishing the Puma helicopters.
-Nuclear Warheads held down to 120 from 160
-Trident replacement to go ahead, but will carry only 40 warheads down from 48.
Navy to loose 4 frigates, a bay class and illistrious or ocean
MCM fleet to drop to 14
Rationilise defence Naval estate (which dockyard will close?)
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RAF transport fleet
14 A-330 FSTA
Says we loose either HMS Ocean or HMS Illustrious.
Loose 4 frigates as well as a Bay-class
So navy looses
One Bay class
Either Ocean or Illustrious
Defender of the Man Code
So really all this talk of only 8% "I saved the defence budget" stuff from Fox was bollocks?..
I'm speechless. I really don't know what to say, this is worse than I could have imagined. Once these decisions are implemented, we will not be able to rectify them for a decade. I'm just gutted...
I have the feeling Rosyth will go totally private.
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wonder what would be changed if we could get out of the second carrier without (Expletive)ing ourselves?
The navy really has been fit hard, the Illustrious and the type 22's are gone.
You wouldnt keep the HMS Illustrious over the HMS Ocean as a helicopter ship, isnt that what Ocean was built for.
astute to go to 7 vessels
well he's just announced Ocean will be refitted.
Interesting future survey,patrol and MCMV will be based on common hull good idea
AS90 reduced by 35%
FRES to go ahead
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