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    Captain Birdseye ?
    Thanks Arf, that thought has cured me of any contact with the WRNS...

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    Hopefully it won't be long until Ambush takes its place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Armchair Soldier View Post
    Hopefully it won't be long until Ambush takes its place.
    Yes it's taking an awfull long time to get Ambush out on her sea trials,I keep asking if anyone has any news on this. All I have found out is that things are being held up at Barrow due to some inefficiency in their health and safety programme. Apparently when they have an emergency and staff go to muster points they are checked by an automated system,which is not working correctly.

    To hold up such a critical and expensive programme for something like this,seem to me a case of the 'jobsworths' gone mad. Surely it would be fine to physicaly check people in temporarily, and get this bloody programme back on track.Can you believe this:-

    BAE emergency flaws stop newest sub coming to scotland

    Published on 19 February 2012

    By Rob Edwards, Environment Editor
    Britain's newest nuclear submarine is facing a delay coming to the Clyde due to serious safety concerns, according to a report by the Government's nuclear watchdog.
    HMS Ambush, the second of the Royal Navy's new fleet of reactor-driven Astute-class submarines, is nearing completion at Barrow shipyard in Cumbria.
    But crucial safety tests on its reactor have been banned by the Office for Nuclear Regulation (ONR) until flaws in the yard's emergency procedures have been fixed.
    The submarine cannot go to sea until its reactor has been fully tested in Barrow.
    According to the Ministry of Defence, the boat was originally due to begin sea trials from the Faslane naval base on Gareloch "by early 2012".
    But progress has been hampered because the Barrow yard's operator, arms giant BAE Systems, has twice failed to account for staff after practice evacuations.
    In an emergency exercise on October 19 last year, it missed people due to "a number of anomalies with the personnel electronic accounting system and incorrect personnel actions," said ONR.
    The regulatory agency then instructed BAE Systems to rerun the exercise on November 15, but the problem persisted.
    The company has been told that it must either sort out the problems or come up with a new system for keeping track of personnel.
    "An adequate demonstration of staff accountability is required before permission will be granted by ONR to commence power range testing on HMS Ambush, the next boat due to be taken critical at Barrow," ONR concluded.
    HMS Ambush's predecessor, HMS Astute, was dogged by problems during its construction in Barrow, which critics say made it five years late and a billion pounds over budget. In October 2010 it ran aground off the Isle of Skye.
    A BAE Systems spokeswoman said: "As part of our drive for continuous improvement in our nuclear emergency arrangements we have taken on board lessons learned from our previous exercise demonstration."
    A spokesman for ONR confirmed that it was expecting BAE Systems to again try and prove that its systems for keeping track of staff after evacuations worked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arfah View Post
    Well, now they're going to let Wrens on board so the Astute class will smell like Grimsby trawlers
    In fact the name WRNS was discontinued in 1993 and they are now naval ratings, Believe me if you had said that to some of the wrens I served with,they would have slotted you my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonas View Post
    In fact the name WRNS was discontinued in 1993 and they are now naval ratings, Believe me if you had said that to some of the wrens I served with,they would have slotted you my friend (although they didn't slot me for being a humourless, sanctimonious pr1ck ?).
    Oh, I'm well aware that there's no WRNS, WAAF's or WRAC's anymore. I merely used the term for comic effect.

    As for slotting me... I'm certain that's against values and standards and the individual would fail the service test
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arfah View Post
    Oh, I'm well aware that there's no WRNS, WAAF's or WRAC's anymore. I merely used the term for comic effect.

    As for slotting me... I'm certain that's against values and standards and the individual would fail the service test
    But just imagine the satisfaction they would have got,and as far as failing the service test,you just have.

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    Sense of humour failure there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrupt View Post
    Sense of humour failure there
    Keep on pondering .

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    Royal Navy makes epic rescue in perilous seas

    A team of Royal Navy aviators rescued an injured man from his yacht yesterday evening in very difficult conditions - a Sea State of 8 and a 40-foot (12m) swell.

    The conditions were truly atrocious - 'Sea State' refers to the state of the sea in respect of wind, waves and swell, with a scale running from 0 (calm, glassy) to 9 (phenomenal). Sea State 6 is very rough, while Sea State 8 is described as very high with waves of 9 to 14 metres in height.

    The rescue was a result of all four of the crew working closely together using great skill to locate the casualty, keep the aircraft in a steady position and get the casualty safely into the aircraft.
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    http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/De...rilousSeas.htm

    Incredible. Anyone who's ever seen Sea State 8 is still having nightmares about it.

    Bravo Zulu.

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    Is that really the silo set-up envisioned for the upgraded 23's?! ...Weird!

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyslapper View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/v/yTPcsX6N5cU" />

    Is that really the silo set-up envisioned for the upgraded 23's?! ...Weird!
    Does look weird-I guess the extra height of the VLS module is due to the extra length of Sea Ceptor (think its about 1.5 metres longer than Sea Wolf)

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyslapper View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/v/yTPcsX6N5cU" />

    Is that really the silo set-up envisioned for the upgraded 23's?! ...Weird!
    A range of around 500 miles?! I was always under the impression its range was 25km+...

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