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Western Ukrainians will no longer celebrate Soviet-named Victory Day
KIEV, May 25 (RIA Novosti)
Residents in the western Ukrainian province of Lvov will celebrate the end of WWII by a different name in the future because the present name does not coincide with historic reality, Ukraine's UNIAN news agency reported on Tuesday.
A total of 62 out of 120 legislators voted to rename Victory Day, which is celebrated on May 8-9 in many countries as the end of WWII, and will now celebrate Days of Memorial to the Victims of World War II.
Other post-soviet republics typically refer to WWII as the Great Patriotic War (1941-1945). Lvov legislators have scrapped the previous name because, according to them, Ukraine does not consider it "patriotic."
During the country's holiday, Ukrainians will remember those "who became the victims of Nazi-German and Moscow-Communist totalitarian regimes," the agency reported.
Before, during and after WWII, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and its militant wing, the Ukrainian Insurgents Army, fought for Ukrainian independence first from Poland and then from Nazi Germany after it became apparent that Germany had no plans of giving the Ukrainians sovereignty. However, later the organization rejoined German efforts to fight against a common enemy, the U.S.S.R.
Many politicians and social figures from the region believe Ukraine suffered identically from both Hitler's Germany and Stalin's U.S.S.R.
Former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko, known for his promotion of Ukrainian nationalism, issued a controversial decree in January to award one-time Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera the title of a national hero about a month before his presidential term expired in February.
The decree honoring Bandera provoked anger from both Russia and the West. Late Polish President Lech Kaczynski said the order ran contrary to the historical truth.
A Donetsk-based lawyer later appealed the decree in a local court on the grounds that the national hero status can only be conferred to Ukrainian nationals, which Bandera was not as Ukraine became an independent state only in 1991.
In April, a Donetsk court ****ounced illegal a decree issued by Yushchenko in October 2007 to award the Hero of Ukraine title to another leader of Ukrainian nationalists, Roman Shukhevych, on the same grounds.
Both decrees issued by Yushchenko were repealed by the country's new leader, President Viktor Yanukovych, who is seen as more a pro-Russian politician than Yushchenko.
Sometimes I wish Lvov can just burn to the ground.
Douchy and pathetic move and the only thing they can do now is just be this petty. Is Victory day an actual National Holiday in Ukraine? If so, can a city make this change on its own?
well seeing as the war for Lvov began in 1939, where it was the sight of the Battle, or Seige of Lvov, I dont understand why it ought to only recognize the "Great Patriotic War" which dosent "officialy" start until 1941. Thus since it was part of the war prior to this patriotic war, it shouldnt really have to recognize this "victory day" either. I say go right ahead and celebrate it the end of WWII with whatever name it desires.
Looks like we have a couple of Hitlers / Stalins in this thread who want to exterminate Western Ukrainians.
Regardless it wasn't much of a victory for us. Halchyna (Galicia) was never ever a part of the Russian Empire. Essentially every V-Day Celebration in Lviv (much like for Poland and other occupied countries of Eastern Europe) was nothing but humilitation for us.
Why Should they? are they not free to choose what to celebrate and when? or is it supposed to be dictated to them?Originally Posted by Mango Madness
Imho this demonstrates the problem with modern day Ukraine. It is very hard to claim that it is a coherent nation when the people have such vastly different outlooks on history and culture.
I don't know about Ukrainian constitution or laws, but I doubt that they could make such decision. Their move is understandable because almost all these legislators are hardcore nationalists with love of terrorist Bandera.
Anyway, I personally don't care, they could make decision celebrating Hitler's birthday, as their "liberator" or whatever, it is Ukrainian problem, not Russian thanks god.
Lvov is not it's own country, and such a move is traitorous against the nation.
It's interesting what you would be saying if the US state of Massachusetts, for example, renamed your Independence Day to "Day of Memorial to the Victims of the Revolution" and that it's people were going to be rembering those "who became the victims of British and United States terrorist regimes".
Apparently, in the eyes of many, if it's not cleared by Moscow, its not OK.
Ha ha. No state would do that. I get the idea . At least not for that.
1)Can't they just celebrate a Victory Day for WWII and then have their own holiday for their anti-Stalin stuff? Do they have to put the two together? Is that the problem?
2) Or do you insist they keep the same name? Great Patriotic War?
3) What is this Nazi stuff? Do the pro-Russian Ukraines think the pro-USA side are Nazis? Is that the general consensus?
PS:Not trying to make trouble here. Just trying to understand.
Last edited by digrar; 05-26-2010 at 12:55 AM.
Good for them.
You can celebrate the end of the war, commemorate the victims, but Soviet Union's victory should not be celebrated. Furthermore it should if anything be day of peace and international friendship and not a day of militarism and parading of nuclear weapons.
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1) That's not what they want to do though, they are denegrating the victory and the country at the time itself. Imagine the US had 50 million of its people killed in an invasion in a war for its very survival against an enemy that considered then inferior and was going to wipe out every one of them - and the US ultimately repelled and defeated the invader. And then some US states with say, German Americans nationalists, condemn this victory and say that the country was as bad as the foreign invader.
3) Yes. Because Ukrainian nationalists extensively collaborated with the Nazi's when they invaded and still consider Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera to be heroes. They still hold parades and build monuments there for Nazi collaborators.
These Ukrainian nationalists Nazi collaborators were also the most eager to round up and kill jews during the war, and even there are antisemitic today; the leader of the Ukrainian nationalist party "Svoboda" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ukr..._%22Freedom%22) who often makes antisemitic statements, just look them up. Or when members of the party vandalised a Polish-Jewish exhibit (http://www.wcrj.org/en/news/detail.php?ID=804). There are many more examples. This ultranationalist party is no marginal party in these regions that no one pays attention either eg they won the most votes in the Ternopil 2009 local election (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternopi...election,_2009)
You are a fringe lunatic and Nazi sympathiser that reflects the views of no nation, the world disagrees with you as evidenced by all major world leaders coming to Moscow on various Victory Day's to witness a glorification of the Soviet victory.
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