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    Default Catalan protesters rally for greater autonomy in Spain

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/10588494.stm

    why couldn´t Spain accept Catalans as a nation? on the other hand Canada did accept Quebec nation with out problem

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    Quebec is a nation? Since when?

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    Just watch, those same protestors will come out in red and waving Spanish Flags when Spain wins the World Cup.

    I don't care for Catalan nationalist. The speak Castillian (Spanish) among themselves and switch to Catalan when approaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steak-Sauce View Post
    Quebec is a nation? Since when?
    The House of Commons has overwhelmingly passed a motion recognizing Québécois as a nation within Canada.
    Conservatives, most Liberal MPs, the NDP and the Bloc voted 266 to 16 in support of the controversial motion, which earlier in the day had prompted the resignation of Michael Chong as intergovernmental affairs minister

    Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/...#ixzz0tNK6oe8b

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordie View Post
    The speak Castillian (Spanish) among themselves and switch to Catalan when approaching.
    Same in Ireland - Gaelic would be a dead(er) language if not for politics....

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    Quote Originally Posted by psb1 View Post
    Same in Ireland - Gaelic would be a dead(er) language if not for politics....
    the Catalan language is now used in politics, education and the Catalan media, including the newspapers Avui ("Today"), El Punt ("The Point") and El Periódico de Catalunya (sharing content with its Spanish release and with El Periòdic d'Andorra, printed in Andorra); and the television channels of Televisió de Catalunya (TVC): TV3, the main channel, and Canal 33/K3 (culture and cartoons channel) as well as a 24-hour news channel 3/24 and the TV series channel 300; in València Canal 9, 24/9 and Punt 2; in the Balearic islands IB3; there are also many local channels available in region in Catalan, such as BTV and 8TV (in the metropolitan area of Barcelona), Barça TV, Canal L'Hospitalet (L'Hospitalet de Llobregat), Canal Terrassa (Terrassa), Televisió de Sant Cugat TDSC (Sant Cugat del Vallès), Gandia Televisió (Gandia, Valencian Country), Televisió de Mataró TVM (Mataró) and Catalan-dubbed television programs.
    doesn´t look like a dead language 2 me

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    Is not a dead language, the problem is they want to make mandatory to the rest of spanish living here. Im catalan I speak catalan with my family our sons learn catalan in the school, but if one person from Madrid or Sevilla or Bilbao come to here, they (nationalist) forced to use catalan when here we have a common language called spanish or castillian. For example one law penalty the shopkeepers if they haven´t the posters and signs in catalan, only spanish its a fault!!

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    I have one simple question:-

    Can Catalan provide for its citizens (Health, social amenities, Police, Fire-Brigade, Military)

    free of looking for hand-outs from the Spanish tax-payers?

    I think it only fair once they go out, they go out of the E.U. and have to apply for membership

    from scratch.

    Connaught Ranger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connaught Ranger View Post
    I have one simple question:-

    Can Catalan provide for its citizens (Health, social amenities, Police, Fire-Brigade, Military)

    free of looking for hand-outs from the Spanish tax-payers?

    I think it only fair once they go out, they go out of the E.U. and have to apply for membership

    from scratch.

    Connaught Ranger.
    AFAIK Catalonia is one of the richest regions of Spain.

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    I don't care for Catalan nationalist. The speak Castillian (Spanish) among themselves and switch to Catalan when approaching.
    Bullsh1t. They are serious about it...so much that you just want to punch them sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisA View Post
    Bullsh1t. They are serious about it...so much that you just want to punch them sometimes.
    My experience is anecdotal.

    I was at a hotel in Beijing. The people sitting at the next table during breakfast spoke Castillian (Spanish). I leaned over and introduced myself in Latin American Spanish. Then soon afterwards they switched to Catalan.

    Very rude.

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    Very rude.
    They are, the Prussians of Spain. My old concierge always responsed in catalan, even if it meant for him to clock out 30 minutes later and to get in trouble with his wife....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connaught Ranger View Post
    I have one simple question:-

    Can Catalan provide for its citizens (Health, social amenities, Police, Fire-Brigade, Military)

    free of looking for hand-outs from the Spanish tax-payers?

    I think it only fair once they go out, they go out of the E.U. and have to apply for membership

    from scratch.

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    Catalonia can provide its citizens with everything ...

    In 2008 the regional GDP of Catalonia was €216.9 billion ($314.4 billion) and per capita GDP was €30,700 - similar to that of countries such as the United Kingdom or Austria. However, it is the fourth per capita GDP in Spain, considerably behind the Basque Country (€34,100), Madrid (autonomous community) (€34,100) and Navarra (32,900€), [36][37] In this year, the GDP growth was 3.7%,[38]. In the context of the 2008 financial crisis, Catalonia is expected to suffer a recession amounting to almost a 2% contraction of its regional GDP in 2009[39]
    The main tourist destinations in Catalonia are the city of Barcelona, the beaches of the Costa Brava at Girona and the Costa Daurada at Tarragona. In the Pyrenees there are several ski resorts.
    Many savings banks are based in Catalonia: 10 of the 46 Spanish savings banks are Catalan and "La Caixa" is Europe's premier savings bank [40]private bank in Catalonia is Banc Sabadell, now fourth of the Spanish private banks.[41] The first
    The stock market of Barcelona, which in 2004 traded almost €205,000 million [citation needed]., is the second largest of Spain after Madrid, and Fira de Barcelona organizes international exhibitions and congresses to do with different sectors of the economy.
    The main economic cost for the Catalan families is the purchase of a house. According to daof ta the Society of Appraisal on the 31 December 2005 Catalonia is, after Madrid, the second most expensive region in Spain for housing: 3,397 €/m² on average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisA View Post
    They are, the Prussians of Spain. My old concierge always responsed in catalan, even if it meant for him to clock out 30 minutes later and to get in trouble with his wife....
    hahahahaha you are drunk or something like that?

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    I honestly never understood why Spain in the 80's went for devolution of the country. One way or another these supposedly "democratic" moves only lead to division and seccession.

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