That can be explained. If you're from Ru and you recently (1990's) emigrated to GermanyIsraelUKLalaland you have to legitimate that...for yourself and before the 'natives' there. But I think that's not the majority. And the case of the self-hating Russians...well they would even continue bitching when Russia is transformed into a kind of overdimensioned Switzerland.Originally Posted by Flamming_Python
I dont think that german medias are biased atm. They were at 8.8.8 and everything that did have to do with it, but beside this they were pretty normal. Sometimes they did mention opposition, but positive news are coming regularly too, mostly about economics and so on.
About Stuttgart 21 its best to watch SWR as they show more programs about it, because of being regional channel. A lot of critics in them.
The only media that is not biased towards Russia is Russian state owned media!
Ok, I just found an interesting article.
It's an interview from 1993, may be fake of course( at least, people are going to claim it being a fake and I dont have it on paper with a 1993 stamp on it), but I really doubt that.
I'm gonna translate some especially hilarious/sad excerpts( don't tell me later it's incorrect, I'm dumbing text down a little, don't have time or patience for a 10/10 translation).
Leonid Filatov: "Disgusted to be an intelligenciya".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Filatov
*he is talking to Alina Budnikova, she is basically just a stylist in Filatovs troupe and no one of political importance, but her mindset is just rich and common in intelligenciya crowd*
Alina Budnikova: I want to say, that some of our people have a short memory. I say, its imperative to support a current governmetn( Elcyn), so the other, powerfull regime don't crush us.
Leonid Filatov: You think referendum was exactly about that?.. ( he is referring to a referendum about keeping Elcyn in power)
A. B. Yes, I say that the referendum is exactly that — situation, when it's important to protect us from that terrible force. And I want to support my comrades( lol), most of whom I don't even know, and say that they did the right thing: «yes, yes, no, yes»( she is referring to a celebrities supporting Elcyn on TV durning referendum "y,y,n,y" is a basically "I fully support Elcyn").
L. F. Alina, I want to remind you one thing: intelligenciya in Russia always played a pretty disgusting role against common people. It always heated people up, while thinking that they are the part of people, while living not exactly like others. Always a bit better.
A. B. So you wanted a referendum to have different results?
L. F. Question at hand is: when I vote, I'm betting my whole life on it. But when foreigners come to rallys and shout: "vote Yelcin!" — this is a very different issue. But our dear intelligenciya supports that... You know, our intelligenciya is somehow "exterrestrial"( They Live!). You need to understand: we live a different world compared to common folks. Thats why they have to decide for themselves how to live.
A. B. Common folk did not reach a point where they can decide anything on their own, because our society is not democratic yet, it's postsoviet.
L. F. People don't care about that, Alina, they don't care in which intelligenciya's theoretical structure they live. People just want to have a decent life and have a food on their tables.
A. B. But I say, maybe a common man would listen to how, for example, you suggest to vote, and vote right like you did.
L. F. You know, Alina, I think I fully realize now that I have no right to guarantee to people, that our current government is going to do exactly what they have promised.
A. B. This is untrue. Why can't you guarantee, this government is finally a real, intelligenciya's government. And if you don't support it, same old people( commies) will create an unbearable life for you.
L. F. Why?
A. B. Because, they are exactly same people who through their Peasant/Worker regime engieneered that kind of life for you for last 70 years. They are those the so-called people. And you suffocated in their life.
L. F. Well, I can't boast that someone had been suffocating me, I can not. There were problems, but not to that extent. Meanwhile, nowadays you can't even walk a dog or have a stroll with a kid. You are fear-mongering that bolsheviks will return and put us all into GULAG. But common people don't care how to die, shot by a GULAG guard or by a thug on a street.
A. B. This is a normal postcommunist society.
L. F. This is all rubbish, we are not living durning some time of great change, this is just an endless way for people in power to steal. You need to understand: what's happening now is not a Democracy. Same old people( party elite) are in power and they are not leading us to Democracy. They only changed words, but they lies are even more cynical now.
A. B. But, Lenya, from you words people will understand that you just want USSR back.
*Third Guy enters conversaton, he was there all along I just skipped his lines*
Third Guy: Okay, let me butt in for a moment. Lets hipotecally ask some granny-beggar on the street, who would never do anything as disgracefull durning SU times what she has to say about all that?
A. B. Oh, dont bring that granny here. She is probably faring better off than you. And it's just a speculatin anyway.
T. G. Okay, different example. I was in a village not long ago. People are working on a farm 24/7 and have a salary... six thousand rubbles.
A. B. Just a speculation.
L. F. Alina, you just want to hear yourself and your theory.
А. B. That beggar babushka probably have a grandson, so...
L. F. So she has to shut up and swallow?
А. B. Yes, she has to be silent. This is a new freedom by the way — she is alolowed to be a beggar( I swear to God, I'm not making this up). So she has to be patient. So her children live a good life. I hate conversations like that, about "ruined Moscow". This is all untrue. I see exactly the oppoite. Moscow is getting wonderfull! It's beautifull everywhre, and people are getting used to it. That's why you don't say that someone is not ok with that. That everything is bad. That grannys are begging for a small change on the street.
L. F. You are praising those stinky cubes along roads there( junk food kiosks)? All they have is poison rubbish! You say we now have everything, but what do we have? "sneakers" and "mars"( those damn chocolate bars)?
А. B. No, Lenya, we do relly have everything now. I was on New Arbat( Oh_My_Gott), entered a shop — everything is there, like is some European country. People just stare at those things in awe.
L. F. Thats because they can not afford any of that.
А. B. No, people do buy that stuff.
L. F. This beatifull image exist only for a number of chosen people, you know.
А. B. No, that is untue...
L. F. Our country is not producing anything anymore. We can't even feed ourselves.
А. B. We are just living in a times of change. Let's talk about that in five years.
L. F. Fine. If we are alive in five years.
Filatov was alive in 1998, but it wasn't all that good, so they probably decided to meet again in five years.
Filatov died exactly in 2003, RIP.
First. Whenever you start calling another compatriot “traitor” or the “fifth column” because they have different or offensive views you deny them the right to be heard and yourself the opportunity to understand their position. The purpose of such delegitimizing is simply to deny the right to an opposite view... so that there is no need to respond to it... one can simply release the hounds. The last ten years of US politics are amazingly prescient in this regard—you do not need to address the tough questions about constitutional freedoms if you simply ask about the mysterious funding of some interest groups or proponents of the mosque downtown New York; you don’t need to understand health reform if you can conveniently cling on to Obama’s “death panels.”
Such approach is grounded not in a conscientious effort to understand the other position and, when it is correctly understood, either deny or accept it, but in the aim of mobilizing your team in the face of the enemy who has been thoroughly dehumanized. Such methods, which rely on our infrahumanization bias and hijack our evolutionary adaptations for intergroup conflict, are normally used by cults for brainwashing. Today, however, they are increasingly commonplace in the North American mainstream media and politics, slowly sipping through into Russia. Nothing good can come out of this.
Second. Not long ago, in discussing Russian military procurement policy, one of the Russian members said that he is not part of the RussiaStrong crowd and that he finds it difficult even to like Russia nowadays. No one called him a traitor; everyone understood, given the context, that he was exasperated and disappointed with the policy—people who don’t care don’t get pissed off like that. It is not uncommon to use exaggerated, hyperbolic metaphors to express anger and frustration with policy that you think is detrimental to your country. It takes willingness and charitable interpretation (aka principle of charity) to look beyond the form to try and ascertain the intended content and, perhaps, the true motive. It takes almost no effort, if you have already committed to conflict, to set up and knock down a straw man. If one chooses to be fair, all this talk about cancers and Nazism might indeed turn out to be inflammatory punditry, but some might turn out to be simply lamentation and appeals for change.
The quotes in the first post are inexcusable. Period.
Ahh, of course, since there is a period... period had always been my favorite premise in a syllogism.
smile, you crack me up. Not only are you unable to use the forum's quote function, but it seems you're just a bloody idiot. Chili, famous holiday target, carrier, it changes all? Excuse me?
But whatever you say. German media is strictly anti-Russian and rants against Russia whenever it can, German media always blame foreign countries as losers, German media presents Germany as the world's best country ever, and the German media reports only negative news. Especially when it comes to Russia. Russia is always evil.
During my short time in Germany I did not notice any anti-Russian sentiment from anyone I knew or the news. In fact, our school offered a Russian language course, which I took. Always loved the way Russian sounds.
Can't say if a lot of our media presents Russia in such a light. I mean I wouldn't be shocked if some outlets do so for their own agenda, but it's not a national agenda by any means. I noticed that the most criticism in Germany is given to Germany itself.
I can copypaste tons of such stuff using this:
http://liberastfofudia.w2c.ru/index.php
Imagine how the uber-patriotic Republicans would react in the US if liberals said these things about America
Our intellectuals have mostly made their career by portraying germany as something inherently evil.smile, you crack me up. Not only are you unable to use the forum's quote function, but it seems you're just a bloody idiot. Chili, famous holiday target, carrier, it changes all? Excuse me?
But whatever you say. German media is strictly anti-Russian and rants against Russia whenever it can, German media always blame foreign countries as losers, German media presents Germany as the world's best country ever, and the German media reports only negative news. Especially when it comes to Russia. Russia is always evil.
So, I guess these people are international, and not limited to the left side of the spectrum.
The left side at least lost their idols (except Cuba), the right side still has these superior beings that do everything right what we do wrong.
Right now I'm fed up with die Welt pundits explaining to me the supriority of the anglo-american character and mindest towards the german one.
Yeah, you can see how that is working out of the anglo-americans right now.
Btw, the Ukraine is now officially evil again in the german media
And of course it was all white&fluffy when it has that sh1t-faced CIA agent as a president.Btw, the Ukraine is now officially evil again in the german media
Awarding victims of hunger in USSR.
It is clearly offtopic.
smile, you crack me up...
Yeah, I like you too. Even if you throw STFU and idiots at everyone who has another opinion.
But whatever you say... Russia is always evil.
Nah, nah, nah... Doent tell your suggestions until you have a job at some newspapers.
And current news are negative to foreign events, not only russian. I have to repeat myself, that i only pick first 2 news. The tone makes the music.
The latest example is current news about terrorists in caucasus (if we stay with RF news). It even start with choice of words like, underground fighter or presumably or allegedly. This is uninformative journalism and this is first state channel.
Correct me if i am wrong, but Orf.at write about same event:Bei schweren Gefechten zwischen russischen Sicherheitskräften und islamistischen Aufständischen sind im Konfliktgebiet Nordkaukasus mindestens 29 Menschen getötet worden.
Is this so difficult to write numbers and use neutral names too? Why can the official media not to report as objectively in our country too? Orf write for this freedom fighters what they are islamist insurgents. The majority on comments at ard write the same about twisted information. And i really suggest you to apply at some journalism sheet. Way to go.
Funny how you resort to same retarded tactics at the same time. If you can't remember about the elections in Ukraine and how it was reported here in Germany about it then you have a selective memory. There is definitely a bias in German media when it comes to several topics and of them is Russia. I'm not talking about every damn news site,paper though. Stop being naive and accept the truth.smile, you crack me up. Not only are you unable to use the forum's quote function, but it seems you're just a bloody idiot. Chili, famous holiday target, carrier, it changes all? Excuse me?
But whatever you say. German media is strictly anti-Russian and rants against Russia whenever it can, German media always blame foreign countries as losers, German media presents Germany as the world's best country ever, and the German media reports only negative news. Especially when it comes to Russia. Russia is always evil.
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