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    JERUSALEM — Leading lights of the Israeli theatre world have vowed to boycott Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank, drawing threats from right-wingers who say the rebels risk losing public funding.

    A petition signed by 53 performers, writers and directors, including Yehoshua Sobol, Yossi Pollak, Yousef Sweid, Anat Gov and Savyon Liebrecht, said they would not take part in a planned performance at a new cultural centre in the northern West Bank settlement of Ariel.

    "Ariel is in occupied territory and no Israeli artist should have to take part in a production in occupied territory, not in Ariel nor in any other settlement when it is against international law," Sobol, a renowned playwright and satirist, told Israeli public radio on Sunday.

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    Great move! it is about time we get the fuсk out of there

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    The settlers - and the islamists on the arab side, are both major obstacles to peace and stability. That's just the way it is. When both sides get rid of the 'religious' (deranged) people that claim 'God' have given them the right to do whatever they damned well please, and that 'God' doesn't want peace, but actually an endless stream of more blood.. Then there will be peace. When the rational people start talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterG View Post
    The settlers - and the islamists on the arab side, are both major obstacles to peace and stability. That's just the way it is. When both sides get rid of the 'religious' (deranged) people that claim 'God' have given them the right to do whatever they damned well please, and that 'God' doesn't want peace, but actually an endless stream of more blood.. Then there will be peace. When the rational people start talking.
    Not that it really matters but most settlers aren't even religious..

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    I have a feeling nobody browsing around here has ever been to Ariel, so I'll just say that its not your typical settlement and the chances of it being a part of any future Palestinian state are relatively low, it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d_man View Post
    Not that it really matters but most settlers aren't even religious..
    You have numbers or you're just assuming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterG View Post
    The settlers - and the islamists on the arab side, are both major obstacles to peace and stability. That's just the way it is. When both sides get rid of the 'religious' (deranged) people that claim 'God' have given them the right to do whatever they damned well please, and that 'God' doesn't want peace, but actually an endless stream of more blood.. Then there will be peace. When the rational people start talking.
    Not that i'm a great fan of the whole settlement enterprise, but many people live in Ariel because it's cheap, plus there are a lot of young, very secular people living there because they are studying in the Ariel universty.

    It's one city that doesn't have a lot to do with ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyB View Post
    You have numbers or you're just assuming?
    I was talking about Ariel..
    Not sure about the rest of the west bank

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyB View Post
    I have a feeling nobody browsing around here has ever been to Ariel, so I'll just say that its not your typical settlement and the chances of it being a part of any future Palestinian state are relatively low, it seems.
    Many Israelis like Psychodude got no clue that Ariel has a large Russian athiest population or the nature of their relation with its Arab neighboors.
    After being exposed to the best of Russian theatre they must be as thrilled to watch the Israeli actors like Mancheter United fans would be excited to watch Israeli soccer league games.
    Anyway, the actors scored an own goal with the public being outraged against their disguasting hypocritical action. There are calls all over Israel to boycott those performers, their shows and many Israelis are canceling their memeberships in the Cameri.

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    Most of those artists, have also dodged military draft, and frequently support anti-Israel agendas, coincidence?

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    Like already said, Ariel is one place that doesn't really fit under the 'crazy fanatical settlement' column.
    Its a city, inhabited by different sets of people.. Be it religious guys, Russians, or students studying in the university.
    People who live there permanently are mostly a part of the more weak section of the population, given its a cheap place to live in.

    Though I got to say, those actors obviously have every right to say what they say and do what they do, as its a part of democracy, whether we like it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterG View Post
    The settlers - and the islamists on the arab side, are both major obstacles to peace and stability. That's just the way it is. When both sides get rid of the 'religious' (deranged) people that claim 'God' have given them the right to do whatever they damned well please, and that 'God' doesn't want peace, but actually an endless stream of more blood.. Then there will be peace. When the rational people start talking.
    I suggest you and the artists visit Ariel first. It's an Israeli city not a settlement. kthnxbye.
    What they are boycotting aren't the normal consumers of culture that can take the 30 minutes drive to Tel Aviv, but mostly students in school that part of their curriculum and education is watching perofmrnaces by Israeli actors and schools can't afford driving them around the country in busses to watch these artists perform.

    P.S. with all due respect to the artists, their paycheck is paid by Israelis as part of the taxes. Ariel residents pay these taxes as well. You can't accept money from Ariel residents and at the same time boycott them. Don't like it? Go and build your own theatre and don't ask for any money from the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexz View Post
    Many Israelis like Psychodude got no clue that Ariel has a large Russian athiest population or the nature of their relation with its Arab neighboors.
    After being exposed to the best of Russian theatre they must be as thrilled to watch the Israeli actors like Mancheter United fans would be excited to watch Israeli soccer league games.
    Anyway, the actors scored an own goal with the public being outraged against their disguasting hypocritical action. There are calls all over Israel to boycott those performers, their shows and many Israelis are canceling their memeberships in the Cameri.
    How is it relevant that they are atheist/secular/or whatever? they are outside Israeli border on occupied territory backed by backward/stupid/invalid/fanatic government, be they angels it still wont change the FACTS, im an atheist and of a Russian descent so fuсking what? i condemn all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoDude View Post
    How is it relevant that they are atheist/secular/or whatever? they are outside Israeli border on occupied territory backed by backward/stupid/invalid/fanatic government, be they angels it still wont change the FACTS, im an atheist and of a Russian descent so fuсking what? i condemn all of them.
    Some would say that all of Israel is "occupied territory".
    what's the difference between Ariel which the terrioroty it was built on was conquered in 1967 to Haifa which it's territory was conquered only 19 years earlier?
    the "boarder" you speak of never existed - the greenline marked the 1949 scese fire lines, which were never considered a boarder between 1949 to 1967.
    Ariel, by the way, was created when the Left "Maarach" (today's Labor) party was in power, and it's a pretty big city now. In any agreement, even if Meretz party was in power, it would stay in Israel.

    it seems like you are very unfimiliar with some of your "FACTS". I suggest you do some readying before you condemn things you know so little about.

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    How are places like Ariel supposed to be governed by Israel once a hypothetically peaceful Palestianian State (at least in West Bank..) is established? As isolated enclaves?

    I tried looking for it on Google maps and it seems to be pretty much right in the middle of w.B.

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