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    Default The Death of Freedom of Speech in America

    Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit


    The protestor who burned pages from the Koran outside a planned mosque near Ground Zero was fired from NJ Transit over the controversial act, sources and authorities said yesterday.
    Derek Fenton's 11-year career at the agency came to an abrupt halt Monday after photographs of him ripping pages from the Muslim holy book and setting them ablaze appeared in newspapers

    NJ Transit confirmed Fenton was fired but wouldn't elaborate.
    "Mr. Fenton's public actions violated New Jersey Transit's code of ethics," an agency statement said. "NJ TRANSIT concluded that Mr. Fenton violated his trust as a state employee and therefore was dismissed."


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    Burn a Flag?, No Problem Freedom of Speech

    Burn a Bible?, No Problem Freedom of Speech

    Burn a Torah?, No Problem Freedom of Speech


    Burn a Koran? have to be Fired and Harrassed


    We have already become Dhimmis

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    I'm starting to dislike that Mr. Koran very much

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    I smell lawsuit.

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    Again this is why there needs to be regulation around liability and suing in the US. This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about NJ transit covering their a$$ in case of a lawsuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bababooey View Post
    I smell lawsuit.
    From him? I doubt it.

    "Mr. Fenton's public actions violated New Jersey Transit's code of ethics,
    People have been fired for facebook comments that are less than this.

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    If the guy was on his own time, why couldn't he sue. The larger issue is that outside of work, your employer should not have a say what you do. If the man feels like burning the Koran on his own time, I say, go with the feeling.

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    I don't know- would his employers have fired him if he was publicly photographed burning any of the items Linedoggie mentioned?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveDash View Post
    Again this is why there needs to be regulation around liability and suing in the US. This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about NJ transit covering their a$$ in case of a lawsuit.
    X2
    I feel the same way about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bababooey View Post
    If the guy was on his own time, why couldn't he sue. The larger issue is that outside of work, your employer should not have a say what you do. If the man feels like burning the Koran on his own time, I say, go with the feeling.
    I agree with your sentiment, and I personally feel that firing him is a bit harsh. But because of the lunacy you have in the US of lawsuit frenzy NJ Transit probably felt the need to protect itself.

    Also, in many government departments around the world, in places with much more strict employment laws than the US, you can be terminated immediately for misconduct in public. Its the nature of the job.

    Like I said, people have been fired in the US for making comments about their job on facebook, which seems worse than this no? It's not a freedom of speech issue, it's not a right to work in the public sector is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bababooey View Post
    I smell lawsuit.
    I smees monees, lots of monees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gleipnir View Post
    I don't know- would his employers have fired him if he was publicly photographed burning any of the items Linedoggie mentioned?



    I feel the same way about this.
    I would guess they would have fired it over anything that made his face public in a questionable act...

    Talking about freedom of speech, don't you also have the freedom to hire anyone you like and set up rules you would like them to abide to ?

    What I wonder why he was taken away by police and questioned, did they do that with his permission ?

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    I don't have a problem with this. He should be fired.

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    I wonder if he had union representation. Not that I have much respect or faith in unions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macs. View Post
    I would guess they would have fired it over anything that made his face public in a questionable act...
    I think so too

    Talking about freedom of speech, don't you also have the freedom to hire anyone you like and set up rules you would like them to abide to ?
    Yes.
    I don't think that, fundamentally, this is a freedom of speech issue. He broke his employer's code of ethics which in all likelihood was a legally binding agreement.

    What I wonder why he was taken away by police and questioned, did they do that with his permission ?
    I don't know.

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    Don't expect to hold a govt job when you make yourself look like an ass on national TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jobu View Post
    I don't have a problem with this. He should be fired.
    Free Speech only when you agree with it?

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