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    Default Economic panel says recession ended in June 2009

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    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The longest recession the country has endured since World War II ended in June 2009, a group that dates the beginning and end of recessions declared Monday.
    The National Bureau of Economic Research, a panel of academic economists based in Cambridge, Mass., said the recession lasted 18 months. It started in December 2007 and ended in June 2009. Previously the longest postwar downturns were those in 1973-1975 and in 1981-1982. Both of those lasted 16 months.
    The decision makes official what many economists have believed for some time, that the recession ended in the summer of 2009. The economy started growing again in the July-to-September quarter of 2009, after a record four straight quarters of declines. Thus, the April-to-June quarter of 2009, marked the last quarter when the economy was shrinking. At that time, it contracted just 0.7 percent, after suffering through much deeper declines. That factored into the NBER's decision to pinpoint the end of the recession in June.
    Any future downturn in the economy would now mark the start of a new recession, not the continuation of the December 2007 recession, NBER said. That's important because if the economy starts shrinking again, it could mark the onset of a "double-dip" recession. For many economists, the last time that happened was in 1981-82.
    Still, Americans are coping with 9.6 percent unemployment, scant wage gains, weak home values and the worst foreclosure market in decades.
    President Barack Obama saw little reason to celebrate the group's finding that the recession had ended.
    Appearing at a town-hall meeting sponsored by CNBC, Obama said times are still very hard for people "who are struggling," including those who are out of work and many others who are having difficulty paying their bills. He said it's going "to take more time to solve" an economic problem that was years in the making.
    To make its determination, the NBER looks at figures that make up the nation's gross domestic product, which measures the total value of goods and services produced within the United States. It also reviews incomes, employment and industrial activity.
    The economy lost 7.3 million jobs in the 2007-2009 recession, also the most in the post World War II period.
    The NBER normally takes its time in declaring a recession has started or ended.
    For instance, the NBER announced in December 2008 that the recession had actually started one year earlier, in December 2007.
    Similarly, it declared in July 2003 that the 2001 recession was over. It actually ended 20 months earlier, in November 2001.
    Its determination is of interest to economic historians -- and political leaders. Recessions that occur on their watch pose political risks.
    In President George W. Bush's eight years in office, the United States fell into two recessions. The first started in March 2001 and ended that November. The second one started in December 2007.
    NBER's decision means little to ordinary Americans now muddling through a sluggish economic recovery and a weak jobs market. Unemployment is 9.6 percent and has been stuck at high levels since the recession ended.
    Many will continue to struggle.
    Unemployment usually keeps rising well after a recession ends. Four months after the 2007 downturn ended, unemployment spiked to 10.1 percent in October 2009, which was the highest in just over a quarter-century. Some economists believe that marked the high point in joblessness. But others think it could climb higher -- perhaps hitting 10.3 percent by early next year.
    After the 2001 recession, for instance, unemployment didn't peak until June 2003 -- 19 months later.
    Word of the recession's official end comes just two months before Election Day. But the decision isn't likely to play a big role in November's congressional and gubernatorial elections.
    Some Democrats might hail it as a sign of progress, but voters are guided by gut reactions far more than economists' ****ouncements.
    With unemployment still hovering just below 10 percent, some Democrats have urged Obama to stop boasting about any economic progress at all. They fear it annoys people who feel things are not getting better for themselves and their neighbors, and it makes politicians seem out of touch with ordinary Americans' worries.
    I expect this htread to be full of WIN, do not disappoint me.

    Btw, I endorse the headline.

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    I agree, this thread will be full of win.

    An article I read today shows that the average unemployement rate in Florida has risen to right at 12%, there are some counties at nearly 20%. Companies that are showing gains are just doing more with the staff they have. Times like these managent can tell you you're lucky to have a job, now make more wigets or we will find someone who can. Maybe you boys on wall street are having good times but there are still people losing jobs and homes. That think tank lives in some other reality.

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    Did it end in 2009? lol, then why my dad's salary has been reduced a further 15% more this year? Oh and he works for the federal government. The department he works for, something to do with renewable energies (Solar energy and whatnot), fired around 200 people.

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    Some regions are doing relatively better than others.

    I understand North Dakota's unemployment rate is 4%. Much of it is tied with the oil sector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordie View Post
    Some regions are doing relatively better than others.

    I understand North Dakota's unemployment rate is 4%. Much of it is tied with the oil sector.
    Those states are mainly agrarian economy. Food is a product that will always be in demand. Are you talking about ethanol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beNder View Post
    Those states are mainly agrarian economy. Food is a product that will always be in demand. Are you talking about ethanol?
    The real stuff.......Black Gold........Texas Tea.

    http://www.businessweek.com/ap/finan.../D9I93FLO2.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordie View Post
    The real stuff.......Black Gold........Texas Tea.

    http://www.businessweek.com/ap/finan.../D9I93FLO2.htm
    Damn, color me ignorant, I didn't know they produced oil up there. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuclear_Warrior View Post
    Did it end in 2009? lol, then why my dad's salary has been reduced a further 15% more this year? Oh and he works for the federal government. The department he works for, something to do with renewable energies (Solar energy and whatnot), fired around 200 people.
    They will hire a LOT more quiet soon. A little birdie told me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beNder View Post
    Those states are mainly agrarian economy. Food is a product that will always be in demand. Are you talking about ethanol?
    Hhee, the whole ethanol for energy business is DONE/FINITO/KAPUT. At least in North America.

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    Those with engineering degrees tailor-fitted for renewable power plants (Wind/solar) are gonna ball harder (and be a lot more arrogant) than us wall street proletariat in the next 20-30 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordie View Post
    Some regions are doing relatively better than others.

    I understand North Dakota's unemployment rate is 4%. Much of it is tied with the oil sector.
    No wonder a high amount of Venezuelans work over there, most of my friends' parents who were fired from PDVSA live over there and Canada. Much of their work is with pipelines and so on. Obviously, they earn MUCH BUT MUCH MORE MONEY THEY EVER HOPED TO EARN.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moodys Analyst View Post
    They will hire a LOT more quiet soon. A little birdie told me.
    When I see it I will believe it.

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    If the repubs claim the majority in November, watch out government employees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuclear_Warrior View Post
    No wonder a high amount of Venezuelans work over there, most of my friends' parents who were fired from PDVSA live over there and Canada. Much of their work is with pipelines and so on. Obviously, they earn MUCH BUT MUCH MORE MONEY THEY EVER HOPED TO EARN.



    When I see it I will believe it.
    WIth full intent to mind my own business, I am somewhat curious as to why he wouldnt want to get a job in the private sector dealing with the same industry. Depending on the region, it can be fairly easy to find employment in the sector, especailly Q3 and Q4 of 2010

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moodys Analyst View Post
    Hhee, the whole ethanol for energy business is DONE/FINITO/KAPUT. At least in North America.
    I hope so. 30% of grain crops going to making gasoline, ****ing retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moodys Analyst View Post
    WIth full intent to mind my own business, I am somewhat curious as to why he wouldnt want to get a job in the private sector dealing with the same industry. Depending on the region, it can be fairly easy to find employment in the sector, especailly Q3 and Q4 of 2010
    I have told him the same thing over and over again, but I guess he knows better. He is about to retire though, so that might be why. I'm imagining he is waiting for retirement to then work at one of those companies for a short amount of time. No idea really.

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