Reply With QuoteThey play where the money is. That's it, lot of money but not lot of talent.Originally Posted by Lancero
Yes, because 90% of them don't play in Europe since they were 18....
They play where the money is. That's it, lot of money but not lot of talent.
Sad view of Portugal not even trying
Was a rather sad performance indeed.
You seem pretty mad for a while now. I don't really buy anymore that you actually like the game. How often do you wanna tell us that the NFL (which is a league, not a game) is ten times better than this game. What's the point? That stop and go sports are better? I respect what the NFL is, and i even followed it a bit when i was maybe 15 or 16. I understand the game, but i do not enjoy all the round based character. BUT why would i want to change it? I played Basketball on club level for more than ten years, more than football. But i do not enjoy watching it half as much as going to the stadium and watching our club play. I prefer watching football to any other sports. And many people do. Actually most people in the world.
Even though i know that you follow lots of games/leagues whatever, probably the EPL i do think that you're blind to a good part of what makes this game loved. Completely blind.
Do you really think anybody buys your McD cheap quality 'game' comparison or cares about it? It sounds alot like you're sore. "cheap, available worldwide, low quality". Sounds more like "It's not like we do stuff in Amerika, i don't like it." "if your hungry, it will do"? Arrogance, nothing more. You tell us all the time what you dislike about it. You could just as well stop posting in football related threads.
No talent in Europe. Righhttttttttttttttt.....................
I said no talent?
I said not a lot of talent. that's the reason all of your clubs are full of foreigners. Or do you have a better explanation?
And the 5th South American team was defeated by another, Brazil.
At least we can say that the Euro teams that survived into the quarters are the best Euro teams out there and not some fluke.
But yeah, South America strong!
I hope it comes to a resounding crashing halt sometime soon... like Friday and Saturday...
After the finals, expect scouts going to South America to seek real talent. Football federations will probably do genealogy research to find a potential European citizen amongst the Argentines.
Given the size of the Argentine Jewish population, I wonder if Israel could set up a decent team with Argentine players?
Only if those Argentine players chose Israeli citizenship.
I think only one of those South American teams will be in the semis and we can all simmer down then.
Europe is the only place to earn real money in football. Naturally it draws the best also of south america. Where else would your talents go. If you think there's not alot of real talent in Europe, you couldn't be further off. btw Europe is no country, so obviously the leagues are full of foreigners. The EPL for example draws most of its talent from continental Europe. Spiced with african and south american players.
You really don't know much about the European scouting system. Nothing will change, since it already covers all of south america.
I doubt, the talent pool at home is so large, you only need to develop it. Germany set up a new program ten years ago. We now have the youngest of all teams, but this is only the first half of the new generation. Many more to come. The real task isn't finding talented children, but to put them where they can develop.
And school them professionally.
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QFT.
Some clubs are wildly more capable of developing talent than others. The same is true of countries.
Very true.
Scouting of young talents across S.America is well organized since at least 35 years ago, itīs part of the system by which american professional clubs survive and get enough money. Personally, as somebody that used to go to the stadium years ago, Iīve always favoured to see players of my country, if posible galicians like me, and in no way I donīt want my country giving spanish passports to foreign players for compiting with my country. I prefer to lose than winning with people that spanish kids canīt identify like their elder brothers.
Getting good players is something like cultivating grapes for wine, youīve a good year and several other years of bad harvests, but if a professional club gets a good player of its "cantera"(quarry) or football school every 2-3 years, it can compete perfectly for winning trophys and saving lots of cash. What I can say from Spain is that here always there were good schools for our boys, but people like to go to stadiums every week for regular League competition more than waiting four years for an event like WC, and people want good results and having the most spectacular players every year. Since the same year of the Bossman Law, the spanish league was flooded with foreign players, most of them mediocre and expensive, and this meant long decades that top young spanish players, frequently international champions in young categories, had to halt their natural progression when they are 18-19yo., critical age for a sportman, in their clubs for ceding their seats to foreign players of over 20yo. that had the chance of groing up properly in their origin countries. The natural develoment of this process is that when spanish footballers compited in eurochampionships or WC they lacked the habit of being leaders in their teams and having that "killer instinct" badly needed in high competition. This trend hasnīt stopped yet here, but at least Barįa, thanks to the policy of a dutchman, Villarreal, Sevilla, to a less extent Deportivo, At.Bilbao and others have became a reduct for the most talented spanish players and at the same time some of them at least chose to emigrate to foreign leagues in the place of being sat in the bench at Spain earning good money but playing 0 minutes.
The case of R.Madrid years ago firing del Bosque after winning the league, and 2 Champions league winner before, for signing a coach, Queiroz, that lacked any experience as main coach in professional football was a paradigma of wrong decissions and one year later R.Madrid had to fire Queiroz after losing any chance of winning anything and breaking in pieces a winner team. The same wrong move of R.Madrid was done signing foreign "talented" players that were more brilliants selling shirts in India or Japan and getting pictures in foreign press, when in fact they traditionally had a good "quarry". Thanks to the new trend in Spain and other european countries the hard reality was shown yesterday in the Spain-Portugal, where the most expensive player of the worl showed his true value and the tactical resources of del Bosque were evident than the man that stole his seat at R.Madrid. Not to mention the Germany-England, itīs not that I follow football news every day, but until now I barely knew any german player but I knew because I saw them many times the Lampard, Gerrard, Terry and others and Iīve read many news about the "galactic" price that some spanish team was ready to pay for some of them. I think they wonīt pay it now. In some way, the case of England remember the situation of spanish football 10 years ago, lots of foreign players, some very good and many more that arenīt worth the price payed for them, and english players that now lack the habit of being the decission takers at their clubs.
But even ten years ago when the magnificent (and foreign) Galacticos were entertaining everyone with some of the best club football ever seen, Spain had a centralised training and development centre and a plan. Spain has always produced excellent players, only until 2 years ago they were very good at emulating the Dutch and getting a very talented squad to fail. A club that England seems to have taken Spain's place in. Is Gerrard, a player who pretty much single handedly clawed back a 3-0 CL final deficit in 45 minutes less talented for England's WC showing? Of course not. But there is something fundamentally screwed somewhere.
How much interest does the Spanish football association take in talented Spanish youngsters? Quite a bit I imagine. What is happening currently to Germany's current under-21 achievers? Quite a lot.
Contrast that with this: what is happening to Englands Euro U17 champions? The English FA is taking **** all interest in their development, it is now left to their current/future clubs. The next time any of those U17 players see each other will be as teammates or rivals, not on a common training program or skills coaching course. Shambolic. That is the difference between England and the current top tier of international football.
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