Criticism of Islam Is New Front in PC War

[2Sheds_Jackson]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having good manners.

Wikipedia, which knows everything and is always right says that manners are defined as "the unenforced standards of conduct which demonstrate that a person is proper, polite, and refined." Political correctness is therefore more intrusive/bothersome than manners, since political correctness IS enforced via correctspeak and the punishments for non-compliance. I have to think that practicing moral relativism/cultural suicide is far more troubling than holding a door for somebody.

Terry Jones is a bigot.

Well he may be, I don't know. But I do know that there was more than just one individual demonstrating against the Mosque. Polls showed (and still show I think) that something like 60% of NYC folks oppose it. Are they all racists and bigots? Or maybe they just understand the concept of the victory Mosque.

[Gleipnir]

Wikipedia, which knows everything and is always right says that manners are defined as "the unenforced standards of conduct which demonstrate that a person is proper, polite, and refined." Political correctness is therefore more intrusive/bothersome than manners, since political correctness IS enforced via correctspeak and the punishments for non-compliance. I have to think that practicing moral relativism/cultural suicide is far more troubling than holding a door for somebody.

Your example was of holding open a door. That is what I was addressing, hence why I placed that text under the relevant quote.
To be clear- there is nothing wrong with having manners. I will continue to hold doors open for people- it has nothing to do with being PC or trying to show people how 'cosmopolitan' I am. I am being literal here. Not using analogy.

However-

There needs to be an understanding that altruism, whether reciprocal or not, isn't automatically a display of or means for pursuing 'political correctness'.

Well he may be, I don't know. But I do know that there was more than just one individual demonstrating against the Mosque. Polls showed (and still show I think) that something like 60% of NYC folks oppose it. Are they all racists and bigots? Or maybe they just understand the concept of the victory Mosque.

Nope- never said they were. But Terry Jones is.

If you are going to place the proposed building of the 'victory mosque' in a binary against a Christian who protests, Terry Jones seems to be the best choice in consideration of how the events were portrayed in the media.

but really- there are no absolutes here.

I wouldn't personally consider Derek Fenton to be a bigot based on the available information, but I would hardly call burning a Quran in public an attempt at dialogue.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

That's very well put - I see the same thing happening all the time. It seems to be a behavioral mechanism that some of us have been trained to use as a means to elevate ourselves and receive recognition within a group. It's kind of the new version of opening a door for a lady. During a discussion you can literally see when it's about to happen....as the conversation moves towards the door...wait for it...and....the group member most concerned with being recognized as cosmopolitan and refined grabs that handle and flings the door open. I really feel like giving them a gold star sticker and patting them on the head for being sooo good.

Lots of people have been socially indoctrinated to believe that traditional/white culture is invalid, corrupt and illegitimate - whereas minority cultures here or abroad contain some kind of miraculous indigenous quality - derived no doubt solely from the fact that they have come to be culturally dominated by others - that compels us to judge them with a different set of criteria.

As you say - when a Protestant guy in Georgia spots an image of Jesus in his pancakes he's a laughable bumpkin, but when a Muslim demands room for a prayer rug and 5 breaks a day for prayers, well that's just his culture and it must be respected. The Muslim who wants to build a mosque near ground zero can be said to be interested in "dialogue" but the Christian who protests is a bigot.

I heard a radio interview on NPR last week -where they had a guy from the new right-wing party that was elected in Sweden. The party is pretty strongly anti-immigrant - particularly when it comes to Muslims who have banded together in a voting block to effect changes to traditional Swedish cultural institutions. The female leftie NPR interviewer was practically dripping with contempt for this guy - how dare he articulate the idea that traditional Swedish values deserved defending or that >gasp< a particular culture could be said to be superior to another.

Your missing the point man. A redneck from the high country or a swamp rat........................well they a born with defects and even without religion making it worse they would still be............rednecks and swamp rats.

[Mein Teil]

Wikipedia, which knows everything and is always right says that manners are defined as "the unenforced standards of conduct which demonstrate that a person is proper, polite, and refined." Political correctness is therefore more intrusive/bothersome than manners, since political correctness IS enforced via correctspeak and the punishments for non-compliance. I have to think that practicing moral relativism/cultural suicide is far more troubling than holding a door for somebody.



Well he may be, I don't know. But I do know that there was more than just one individual demonstrating against the Mosque. Polls showed (and still show I think) that something like 60% of NYC folks oppose it. Are they all racists and bigots? Or maybe they just understand the concept of the victory Mosque.

Your posts were music to my ears 2Sheds, but you've screwed up my posting for the day because now I don't want to fight with the nitwits (you made too much sense). I think I only post happy things today...but Mr. a$$h*le will be back tomorow!

[seraosha]

Your missing the point man. A redneck from the high country or a swamp rat........................well they a born with defects and even without religion making it worse they would still be............rednecks and swamp rats.

Min, I think your latex pants are on too tight. They are cutting off the blood to your brain. Could you try again in English?

[Mein Teil]

Your missing the point man. A redneck from the high country or a swamp rat........................well they a born with defects and even without religion making it worse they would still be............rednecks and swamp rats.

Gosh, if I didn't know better you sound just like Goebbels describing Jews.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

I mean. Bo and Luke Hazzard would still be Bo and Look Hazzard even if they were Muslims.

[seraosha]

Yeah...and daisy duke in a burkka?

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

You just canceled the show dude!

[C.Puffs]

Still waiting for someone to rob a bank in a burkka. It'd be better than Kevlar.

[IconOfEvi]

Still waiting for someone to rob a bank in a burkka. It'd be better than Kevlar.

I think its already happened (trying to remember all the news stories Ive seen)

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Your example was of holding open a door. That is what I was addressing, hence why I placed that text under the relevant quote.
To be clear- there is nothing wrong with having manners. I will continue to hold doors open for people- it has nothing to do with being PC or trying to show people how 'cosmopolitan' I am. I am being literal here. Not using analogy.

In a discussion about political correctness...your comment is to confirm that you're OK with good manners. Well just pardon me for being confused as all hell by that.

There needs to be an understanding that altruism, whether reciprocal or not, isn't automatically a display of or means for pursuing 'political correctness'.

I agree with you here. I tend to think of political correctness as excessive - and often destructive - implementations of altruism. Hey that sounds like a good Metal band name: "Implementation of Altruism"

Nope- never said they were. But Terry Jones is.

If you are going to place the proposed building of the 'victory mosque' in a binary against a Christian who protests, Terry Jones seems to be the best choice in consideration of how the events were portrayed in the media.

That's fair enough. But consider how our PC media spun things. It wasn't long before the "Ground Zero Mosque" was being called something else. AP issued directives to "continue to avoid the phrase ’ground zero mosque’ or ’mosque at ground zero’ on all platforms" - we wouldn't want to give people the right idea would we? Jones continued to be shown as a buffoon.

I wouldn't personally consider Derek Fenton to be a bigot based on the available information, but I would hardly call burning a Quran in public an attempt at dialogue.

If he's to be seen as a foot soldier for Christian America, I'll still take a nice old fashioned book burning over flying aircraft into office buildings.

[HardThunder]

Quote Originally Posted by Gleipnir -
I wouldn't personally consider Derek Fenton to be a bigot based on the available information, but I would hardly call burning a Quran in public an attempt at dialogue.

If he's to be seen as a foot soldier for Christian America, I'll still take a nice old fashioned book burning over flying aircraft into office buildings.

I can not help but feel that both these comments (and my previous post in this topic) point out the core of the issue as it rest in the US, and somewhat in other nations.

A great deal of effort is being placed on trying to keep topics, and issues related to topics from being openly discussed. It seems like every effort is being made not to allow topics from even being allowed. Case in point was the guy in Florida that was going to have a book barbecue. He had posted in his my-space, or what ever that he was going to do it, and got national, then Global attention. And what happen? A political arm of the US, with the full power of the US Government did everything they could to squash him. He was denied a fire permit, his internet service was cut off, and he was attacked by every drone within a certain segment within the US, and outside.

Is this what we wish to have the US become? A nation that is controlled utterly, and totally by the thoughts, and Ideals of a extremist political group?

[nemowork]

Still waiting for someone to rob a bank in a burkka. It'd be better than Kevlar.

Does a high end jeweller count?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lim-dress.html

[Rayber]

2sheds: The Swedish party you are talking about is not only hated for being anti-immigration, but also for being pretty racist (a reporter wore a wire at a youth meeting and it was pretty much all over racism) also its the same party who had to ASK their members to leave the Nazi uniform at home when attending party meetings.