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    our media seldom report indepth report about china's economy.

    in the dire strait of financial crisis of 2008-2009, we saw china's growth and export delined significantly, together with the rest of the world, but the unnoticed is china's middle provinces(a territory about the size of india, populated by 300 million), they are the real growth engine of world economy in that year with breathtaking growth rate of 15%, china's inner Mongolia province has been the star with a growth 25% annually since 2007.

    clearly mid-china is taking over coastline china to put china to next level econ growth, which is non-export oriented, technological integrated, and consumption driven.

    remember china still has a vastland of western china. that's why i said in another post that china is the only country comparable to the united states of early 1900s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardThunder View Post
    Well then you would have to say it started with the first man that trowed a rock at the stars. Forget Goddard, and all the others, just go to the cave man.
    Considering the V2 was the first object sent into space or sub orbital flight, I think its a good benchmark to start with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilgor View Post
    Your kidding right ?

    The space "race" started when both sides scrambled to get their hands on Nazi scientists and V2 parts at the end of ww2.
    Nope. They both got their hands on V-2s but it was the weapons aspect they were interested in. The space race didn't start until Sputnik was up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    Nope. They both got their hands on V-2s but it was the weapons aspect they were interested in. The space race didn't start until Sputnik was up.
    Ahh, no? They studied V2 and used it as basis of development of own rockets. Along with german scientist that were took along. So ye, V2 is begin of the race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex G View Post
    Ahh, no? They studied V2 and used it as basis of development of own rockets. Along with german scientist that were took along. So ye, V2 is begin of the race.
    Nope. The Space Race started with Sputnik. Go look up just about anything on "Space Race" and you'll see that it was Sputnik that got the ball rolling. Everybody knows both sides studied the V-2 but that was for development of long range missiles as WEAPONS. The focus on earth orbit didn't heat up until Russia put up Sputnik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    Nope. The Space Race started with Sputnik. Go look up just about anything on "Space Race" and you'll see that it was Sputnik that got the ball rolling. Everybody knows both sides studied the V-2 but that was for development of long range missiles as WEAPONS. The focus on earth orbit didn't heat up until Russia put up Sputnik.
    Russia has brought 2 dogs up to 101km with R-1 that was copied from V-2. Its true that there were developed at weapons first, but scientist that worked on them wished for space travel aswell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex G View Post
    Russia has brought 2 dogs up to 101km with R-1 that was copied from V-2. Its true that there were developed at weapons first, but scientist that worked on them wished for space travel aswell.
    Go read the history. You'll find almost all the work was to develop weapons and was in no way designed from the outset for satellites. Sputnik was launched by Russia's first ICBM. (It was an ICBM that could launch satellites not a space launcher converted into an ICBM.) In the US? Redstone was a battlefield missile, Atlas an ICBM, Titan an ICBM, Thor and Jupiter were IRBMs. Seeing a trend? Once the USSR launched Sputnik (with an ICBM) it started the Space Race. Before 1957 missile work was almost exclusively geared towards weapons, not space flight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    Go read the history. You'll find almost all the work was to develop weapons and was in no way designed from the outset for satellites. Sputnik was launched by Russia's first ICBM. (It was an ICBM that could launch satellites not a space launcher converted into an ICBM.) In the US? Redstone was a battlefield missile, Atlas an ICBM, Titan an ICBM, Thor and Jupiter were IRBMs. Seeing a trend? Once the USSR launched Sputnik (with an ICBM) it started the Space Race. Before 1957 missile work was almost exclusively geared towards weapons, not space flight.
    Sergei Korolev wanted to launch things into space. Soviet leadership wanted nuclear-armed missiles. Korolev piggybacked his space program on top of Beria's nuclear program.

    Soviet leadership didn't realize the benefits of a space program until Sputnik and Gagarin, but it was Korolev's intention from the start to subvert the ICBM research into a manned space program.

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    I see a new topic needs to be made Gentlemen! So back to the topic. If China build a good foundation for its core economy, what ramifications can we look forward to?
    Last edited by HardThunder; 09-27-2010 at 07:57 PM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    The news is about the only thing that depresses me these days. Some days I think I must be part masochist because I keep going back for more.

    I had a Lionel when I was a kid. The engine was made out of steel and felt like it weighed five pounds.
    I don't know if there is anything in America that is just plain news anymore.

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