Whilst in the ideal world, we as a society shouldn't need unions, employer groups and other lobby groups unfortunetly such a utopia will be impossible due to human nature.
Whilst the union is by no means perfect what are the alternatives?
Recent Australian history proves that when you move the labour regulation how quickly business will move against employees without union protection.
There is also the fact that without the unions many things that we take for granted today would not exist. Workers holidays, sick leave, long service leave, retirenment schemes, workplace safety, worker training and meaningful wages.
Unions have also played an important role in fostering equality amongst ethnic groups.
They have also in many nations have played an extremely important role in bringing in democracy.
And like I mentioned. Without the union movement. Companies will and it's proven will strive to lower wages and working conditions to those who are the most vulnerable in society.
I know full well some elements of the union movement is corrupt. But that happens in any organisation. Look at the finance sector at the moment.
Ford did more, as a point of fact. He hired black men when no one else would in the US.Unions have also played an important role in fostering equality amongst ethnic groups.
Very true in places around the world. Historically true to an extent in the US. These days, not so much.They have also in many nations have played an extremely important role in bringing in democracy.
Yes and no. I've interpreted for management/labor disputes with unionizing efforts directed at Latino service workers and what I found was what I did not expect. It still happens quite a bit for some good, however; some hotel workers/cleaners unionized in MPLS a few years back and they were truly being exploited for their ignorance of the American system. However, they probably got thrown into the umbrella of some service workers union, the same one the ****ed my father years ago and did not do one bit of **** for him and his job. Anyone scratching their ballsack and bellowing too loudly about unions this day in age might be a little out of it, because many of the people running them are useless for their supposed purpose.And like I mentioned. Without the union movement. Companies will and it's proven will strive to lower wages and working conditions to those who are the most vulnerable in society.
The finance sector several years ago, you mean to say. **** has flowed downstream pretty heavy in the money world over the past 2 years.I know full well some elements of the union movement is corrupt. But that happens in any organisation. Look at the finance sector at the moment.
Thats where you make mistake Ronnie
People say "Well they were relevant but not now"
Now I'll agree on the surface that is largely true. But take the former Australian Governments "Work Choices" in which the power of the Industrial Relations Commission was slashed. Unions had restricted access to sites, unfair dismissal was scrapped, and collective bargaining was replaced by individually negotiated contracts.
Now John Howard actually said in the media that he "Hoped the business would do the right and fair thing" What we seen was far different and far worse that even the government would thought would happen. Those most vulnerable were those that had to work longer hours for less play, lost job security and lost their only means of ensuring a fair go (union representation)
Governments can change laws. Now if the union movement is crippled as Howard tried we seen proof of how business will react and it's not good for the low income/working class.
I don't think "grassroots" means what Big Labor thinks it means.
the unions may have shown that they haven't lost their clout just yet. According to Ben Smith over at Politico, the teachers' union played a role in the defeat of Washington, D.C., Mayor Adrain Fenty (and, by proxy, his Schools Chancellor Michelle Rhee). Smith says that the American Federation of Teachers doled out $1 million to usher the aggressive reformers out of office.[M]ost of the money went to unlimited and unregulated communication with union members, intense outreach to the union's more than 2,000 members in the district and to the between 30,000 and 40,000 AFL-CIO members in Washington, D.C. Each group received three mailings and several live calls; the union also did its own polling on the race.
Companies even move around inside the US to avoid unions. Why hire someone who isn't going to work, and is going to shut down production (and costing you BILLIONS in the case of Boeing) when you can move to another state, get better workers, and not have the unions screwing things up at every opportunity? Hell, if I were an employer I'd rather pay my people a little more just to keep the unions OUT. It'd still cost me less in the end.
Iím really interested to see how this rally pans out and dig into the juicy details of it all once itís over. I have no issues with said rally happening, itís a free speech nation, but feel uncomfortable with several of its organizers and where the money is coming from as I greatly dislike collectivist terribly invasive micromanaging and expensive big government philosophies.
I worked hard for what Iíve earned and built and resent having it redistributed to others be they instigators of collective undermining of the system facilitating said theft or the zealots manipulated into supporting them, although, I have no issue contributing what ďIĒ deem my fair share to assist people who fell upon bad luck and honest poor planning to produce and earn for themselves an honest wage.
Note, none of this implies lower class or simple poor folk but both sides of the same entitlement abusing coin, rich to poor, pushing the corruption of our government looting the common good for a cheaters life style via the political license cycle.
Too me the organizers of this rally represent the height of said corruption with intent to institutionalize radically deeper infections of automated rent seeking graft.
Honestly, I do feel bad for the people hoodwinked and conned into this scam suffering today but it is my opinion that their anger is directed towards the wrong people, They should look towards seeking justice out of the hides of those con artist, snake oil medicine, entitlement crack dealing leaders of their faith who sold them down the river with table scraps, hooking them on addictive entitlement dope, as their elite enjoy the riches.
A long time ago I too was union, swallowed the identity politics and collectivist lies, getting yoked to the con artists treadmill of ever diminishing returns. I escaped but only after they extracted a very heavy toll taking away everything I didnít own and then some. Now I am ďmostlyĒ free and after having learned how to provide for myself, accumulated what was necessary to take full advantage of todayís mess and get through the other side alive and possibly a little better off.
Iím sorry others couldnít make it, really I am and am helping some in need that I alone decide to help through investment on our terms. Iíve even reconfigured my life so as to be able to allow some amount of collectivist nibbling at my energies to maintain peaceful coexistence till the next bubble comes along or, better, hopefully they learn how to fish on their own.
But, there is a line. Please do not cross it and letís just get along. I really donít want us all to waste our time and efforts killing each other. Itís so damn wasteful and there is still plenty of room down the middle socioeconomic, legal and regulatory path to get through all this without a war.
May the standoff continue the vote of no confidence force the crooks out and bring everyone back into the family again or, at least, split us amicably so we can go on as we both so choose. (yes, I know, never gonna happen)
DOW to 3000 for the win!