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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravage View Post
    Interesting that they refer to them selfs as Combat Control Teams. Does that mean they share the same tasks? or is it just the cool name thing?
    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...602195107.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by gafkiwi View Post
    Like Digs said its not replacing normal recruiting streams, and if anything it would "Actually" save the ADF money. Think of how much money the ADF would've invested in producing a senior Cpl or Sgt in one of the mentioned roles or trades (recruiting, training, 10+yrs of pay/employment) this way they pay some resettlement costs and allowances (no F'n way as much as media's indicated) and get a trained experienced soldier for alot less outlay on the part of the ADF.

    Lateral recruiting is old and common a hell. I've served with alot of Aussie's and Brits who've come as laterals to the NZDF.
    Agreed....

    Not only do you get the capability/skillset TODAY, instead of incubating/hatching/growing it over a decade at likely far greater cost, but you get the additional benefit of now having someone with deep interpersonal connections(besides any inter service connections) that can also reaps some benefits.

    It's almost embarrassing in a way......the other service invested jillions in their training and development.....you've simply vetted them to ensure they aren't "That guy" Mr Turdtastic...paid them to shift and give them a new uniform and a paycheque......I would half expect an invoice from the service they are poached from.

    I don't like using sports analogies with the military, but if a successful team can recruit talent from another team to boost it's performance, AS WELL AS, develop it's own organic talent....it highly likely to be better than a team that JUST produces talent internally/organically...all other things being equal.

    Personally, I'd far rather have a couple SNCO mentors with deep and broad experience from everywhere on the planet to learn from but be stuck carrying a Lee Enfield rifle and ancient kit than to have SNCOs with far less depth and breadth of experience while carrying a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

    The Army and the other lesser services aren't sitting in an armory, sitting in a hanger, or sitting alongside a pier.....it walks in and out the gate every day.

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    On an unrelated note....check out that Thales Hawkei wagon.........that looks purdy.....almost like a Bushmaster rooted an uparmored HUMMVEE.....I wonder if they accept trade-ins using armored Pinzies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipeboy View Post
    Why does Mentoring Task Force get to wear multicam? I thought that was only for the special forces. And how big is that task force?
    Because Multicam was deemed to be more effective in the Afghan terrain.

    No. 4 Sqdn is essentially a special operations tasked unit. It provides Forward Air Controllers (FAC) for SOCOMD.

    MTF is a battalion size deployment, plus SOTG, RWG, CSS etc.

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    Ofcourse you guys are right, and like I said, if the role can't be filled by an Australian, sure, import the skillsets.

    But still, I would prefer that the Australian Govt spent more time and money skilling it's own citizens instead of looking for quick and easy solutions.

    There is a skill shortage, there is also no shortage of people looking for work. Will it take longer to get the required skillsets and rewards? Yes it will, but it's also future proofing our country in the required areas instead of looking overseas for the quick fix.

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    After Afghanistan recruitment will drop. We will have a smaller, but hopefully still as capable military. We need the sub technicians but snipers? Most blokes in the RAR would give their left nut to get on the course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkzzy View Post
    I'm confused, whats the deal with the F90? I thought we were going to be using the EF-88 (which has been posted in this very thread). Which looks much similar to the F-88.
    Same shit, different name.

    Quote Originally Posted by pipeboy View Post
    Why does Mentoring Task Force get to wear multicam?
    Have been for over a year........

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    Quote Originally Posted by steyr_88 View Post
    After Afghanistan recruitment will drop. We will have a smaller, but hopefully still as capable military. We need the sub technicians but snipers? Most blokes in the RAR would give their left nut to get on the course.
    And thats the issue (same on this side of the ditch)
    1. Yeah, alot of guys would love to do the course but how many would pass? Our pass rate averages 2-3 passes for every 12 students course and zero pass courses are not rare

    2. Units are only budgeted to run X amount of courses a year

    3. Sniper cell/Platoons can only manage to run 1 maybe 2 courses a year whilst still meeting their own outputs i.e. Operations, continuation training for the Platoon, support to Battalion/Bde activities

    Who the ADF is trying to target are not the Unit Snipers in general but the Sniper Team Leader (senior Cpl) to Sniper Supervisor level (Sgt and above). These positions are rarely if ever fully manned and due to the operational and training cycle there is never enough time, manning or money to run courses to meet these requirements. Poaching/lateral recruiting is a time honored method of "Trying" to meet this output. Everytime I've deployed to or worked with any AUS or CAN forces I've always received the informal recruiting brief from a WO or Officer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballistic View Post
    Certainly not, but I would also prefer that the Australian Govt, and the ADF spend money on skilling Australian citizens over paying for foreigners to come in and "save the day".

    Same goes for the mining industry. But for sure, if they are talking about people with 10+ years of experience in a certain field/trade and there is zero chance of it being filled by an Australian, then sure, import. I just hope it doesn't become a regular feature.
    These two are related, it's not that we are not training people, it's retaining the people who are at that 10-20 year experience level. Where we are losing them is to the mining and resource industry.

    Quote Originally Posted by pipeboy View Post
    Why does Mentoring Task Force get to wear multicam? I thought that was only for the special forces. And how big is that task force?
    Everyone outside the wire is wearing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravage View Post
    Interesting that they refer to them selfs as Combat Control Teams. Does that mean they share the same tasks? or is it just the cool name thing?
    It's a role, they are JTACs.

    Quote Originally Posted by steyr_88 View Post
    After Afghanistan recruitment will drop. We will have a smaller, but hopefully still as capable military. We need the sub technicians but snipers? Most blokes in the RAR would give their left nut to get on the course.
    Like gaf mentioned, it's not the snipers we're chasing, but the supervisors. Same again, it's not that we are not training people, it's that we can't retain them.

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    Soldier wounded in Afghanistan
    AAP June 14, 2012, 4:29 pm

    An Australian soldier has been wounded by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan.

    A Bushmaster armoured vehicle hit the improvised explosive device during a routine patrol in the Charmestan Valley of Oruzgan province on Tuesday, acting chief of joint operations Rear Admiral Steve Gilmore said.

    The soldier's wounds were superficial...
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    http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/...n-afghanistan/

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    The head of NATO has praised Australia's efforts in making the world a "safer place" and has declared his intention to pursue closer security ties during his visit Down Under.

    NATO secretary-general Anders Fogh Rasmussen will sign a joint political declaration with Prime Minister Julia Gillard while in Australia.

    Australia is the largest non-NATO contributor of troops to the war in Afghanistan.

    "Australia's contribution to our common effort [in Afghanistan] is outstanding and we highly appreciate it," he told the National Press Club in Canberra...
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    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-1...-safer/4068708

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    Afghan assignment: life with Australian troops
    By Kathy McLeish

    Updated June 14, 2012 17:15:15

    Find out what daily life is like for Australian troops serving in Afghanistan, as ABC reporter Kathy McLeish embarks on a three-week stint embedded with Australian forces...
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    Defence report details horrific tales of abuse
    The details of a report into the Defence Force have revealed a horrific history of physical and ****** abuse that continues to this day.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-1...-abuse/4071324

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    A bloke over at the firearms blog has had a play with the F90

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-rifle-review/

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    Quote Originally Posted by digrar View Post
    It's a role, they are JTACs.
    So there not air traffic controllers, there air to ground support specialists?

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    Yep, embedded into 2Cdo and SASR.

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