Australia - A country of Leftist scum

[Toddy1]

I am disgusted at the comments of some of my so-called Australian citizens in regards to an Article written by Paul Sheehan about the case against the Commandos here in Australia.

The article can be read here in full http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...017-16p1b.html, but this is just a snippet of some of the leftist comments being published.

Quit frankly it makes me sick to see what this beautiful country has become!!

What a dishonest piece of journalism. First Sheehan says:
"Nothing in this column should be interpreted as a criticism, overt or implied, of Brigadier McDade."
And then he goes on to uncritically recite every piece of criticism of Brigadier McDade he can find. And that's really the entire article - one piece of criticism after another, with not a single attempt to counter those criticisms with the opposing view. It's more than dishonest - it's outright slimy.

Simon - October 18, 2010, 7:30AM

Shame on you Sheehan for dragging this rubbish up.
So.... in your view, when soldiers dont follow their orders and civilians are killer or injured, they should be let off because their on our side? It is exactly the moral distincton between us and terrorists.
No one is being thrown to the wolves. You admit that havent seen the evidence, then butt out mate!
Proposals to have generals veto military proscutions is an absolute abomination! Why have militry prosecutors at all in that case?
The principals in this matter are very clear and have developed over centuries of military history and combat and this particular framework was introduced by (Howard and Abbott). To draq these principals into question as you, Abbott and Alan Jones have done, merely because you see some political points in it, just illustrates how low you people will go.
By the way, I wasnt aware the military's rules of engagement were changed under the Gillard Government as you imply. You might like to enlighten the rest us?

ged | Nmbin - October 18, 2010, 7:36AM

Five children are dead! The soldiers involved need to be held to account. That doesn't mean that they are guilty. I couldn't be more proud of Lyn McDade. End of story.

Luke | Canberra - October 18, 2010, 7:40AM

"A widely held view has formed within the military community that the Australian deployment in Afghanistan has been compromised by rules of engagement which reflect the Gillard government's desire to avoid civilian casualties'
This is a joke right Paul?
No doubt fed to you by an opposition which when in Government presided over a deployment in Iraq in which the only casualty was a single self inflicted one.
But hey, never let an opportunity pass you by to take a dig at the Gillard Government.

Lloyd | Sydney - October 18, 2010, 7:40AM

If anyone should be prosecuted for the bloody debacle that is Afghanistan it should be George W. Bush, **** Cheney, Condaleeza Rice and their associates, including that mean and tricky 'man of steel" John W. Howard.

Max Gross | xenoxnews.com - October 18, 2010, 8:02AM

Shouldn't this matter be dealt with via the military justice system and not the media? It certainly shouldn't be dealt with by comments from former or serving Defence personnel.
Why is there such fear of having people put on trial?
I have no issue with people publicly commenting on the veracity of the evidence however I find it really disturbing that people are so afraid of having the evidence presented in the first place.

G | Brisbane - October 18, 2010, 8:34AM

Bit harsh aren't you chaps?
I think Paul Sheahan makes the perfectly valid point that frontline soldiers are pissed about this, which they are.
The fact that Brigadier McDade is a woman with no combat exposure also would add to this consternation, unfair though that may be.
But the principle must stand, if our soldiers are guilty of any crimes, then they should face justice like anyone else. That's what we are supposed to be fighting for.
PS. Could the claque of Labor barrackers that heap abuse on anyone with critical opinions regarding the Gillard Government in this paper please leave the comments page to people interested in the actual story?

Ulysses | Orange - October 18, 2010, 8:44AM

So. Paul it is obvious where your sympathies lie. No examination of the truth or otherwise of Abbott's divisive dragging of the government ( wrongly, and under a law introduced by the Howard government and the DMP appointed by Howard ) into it?
No examination of the merits of Charlie Lynn's anti-democtratic. populist stance? No dissenting opinions from the ones, even unattributed, who understand the need in a democracy for the independence of the executive and the judicial systems from the military? No opinions about the supremacy of civil authority in a democracy - that the military are part of the populace and are necessarily subordinate to the civil authority in a democracy? No examination of Brig ( retired ) Phillip McNamara's obvious confusion of the fact that the DMP is independent from the military?
Funnily enough, I can find no attribution of your claimed statements by your "brace" ( a brace is two, not three ) of retired soldiers. The only attributions about all refer to this article. Not only that, but Digger James' only recorded protest seems to be on the subject of the International Criminal Court's jurisdiction on this subject, not on this particular matter of the DMP's charges.
It would seem, Paul that you have chosen to further the deception by Abbott and his handlers ( Jones etc. ) on the Australian people and sought to publicise the "military always know best, what would civilians know" attitude of those who would prefer to be the masters so that they don't have to put up with all this questioning all the time.
Let justice take its course.

BillR - October 18, 2010, 8:47AM

Paul Sheehan - miracle water man, the Piers Ackerman of the SMH.
To the editor - if you need to present a "balance" of viewpoints and want to present conservative points of view, how about employing people of intelligence, integrity and intellectual rigour in stead of the third-raters like Sheehan and the thankfully now gone Devine?
I do realise that to use those criteria in respect to Australian conservatives is a pretty thankless task, but you could try people like Walled Ali and .... er, and,er.... dammit, there must be more than one in Australia?

BillR - October 18, 2010, 8:57AM

George W Bush should be tried as a war criminal.
As to the case in question, it is subject to the legal process and we should trust that justice will be done.
The media has become enamoured with its power and is becoming an enemy of the democratic process with its unbalanced and biased commentary.

Fairdinkum | NSW - October 18, 2010, 9:00AM

[Mein Teil]

C'mon tell us how you really feel, lol. Seriousely I'm with you. It must be hard living somewhere like you do and defending freedom for so many that could care less. At least were not seeing news reports from Australia where shop keepers are throwing returing servicemembers out of their shops just for being in uniform.

[Alfacentori]

The correct title should perhaps be 'The Western World - Countries full of Leftist Scum'

Alfa

[Mein Teil]

The correct title should perhaps be 'The Western World - Countries full of Leftist Scum'

Alfa

X2.......you're not alone for sure. I must say though I'm enjoing the recent pushback here in the States, I just hope it lasts.

[rkpo]

Its the lazy university students who are the lefty vocal minority, too lazy to think, to lazy to work so instead spend all there time moaning about how the world isn't perfect at that it is everyone elses fault. Meanwhile the majority work, study or be retired. Thats one of the problems of overpopulation, is that even stupid minorities can reach effective capacities wheras in the past it needed social majorities.

[Sandgroper]

Don't read the comments on online newspaper articles. They're as bad as YouTube comments.

[Toddy1]

The negative views and opinions are almost aklin to those that were heaped upon returning soldiers from Vietnam. It is alarming to see how the general public think about those who are currently deployed around the world, at the behest of the very government that they have elected.

The headlines always reads "Soldiers murder innocent women and Children!!" or "Police Officers shoot man!!" or "Teenager killed during Police Chase"

When it should be reading "Taliban use women and children as shields!!" or "Criminal attacks officers with knife and is shot in self defence!!" or "Teenager steals car and runs from police when he loses control and kills himself!!"

It's about time that the good hardowrking WASP majority started to take back control before it is gone for good.

[T3ngu]

Toddy you need a kick in the nuts for quoting the retards that post to newspaper "comment" links. It drags the scum of the world to the surface with their truther arguments.

I understand your intent, but don't confuse the following:
1. Truth before selling papers
2. Comments are indicative of the real world view

Mcdade also needs a kick in the nuts.

But seriously, the majority of people cannot be aligned with what the minority of idiots write in the feedback sections. If you believe it the following would occur
1. We would want more boats coming in shortcutting our immigration policy
2. TB and other diseases being brought into the country are irrelevant when the rights of people are considered
3. People should not be put in jail for criminal activity, they should be rehabilitated.
4. Honest law abiding gun owners would be responsible for all gun crime.

[ACDC]

Time for a National Service in all Western Countries.....!!!

[Misyu44]

The correct title should perhaps be 'The Western World - Countries full of Leftist Scum'

Alfa

I 100% agree

[KoTeMoRe]

Tell your feelings to the Afghans please. While trying to explain why you folks maintain in power the same guys that you're supposed to fight.

Before taking pot shots at students and leftists, try for once to look at the people that send your kind to fight. All conservatives, right wing mofos that preach all blue but walk all teal. Freedom and BS then keep in place Karzai and C° while bashing Iran on election frauds. Who are you kidding?


I'm sickened by the way you're calling out the "Leftist tards" yet the norm is at the Right...USA included. Jeezus H. Christ, if the sait Leftards can bitch it is because the leaders keep talking crap on issues they don't understand.

Rant over.

So please THINK before typing.

[brainplay]

Time for a National Service in all Western Countries.....!!!

And this will solve what exactly? National Service conscripts who will treat their service as a temporary prison service are just as likely to be mindless whiny drones as non-conscripts. The only difference is that the readiness and quality of full time servicemen will be degraded due to funding and resources being shifted away from them to fulfill conscript maintenance.

I'm sickened by the way you're calling out the "Leftist tards" yet the norm is at the Right...USA included. Jeezus H. Christ, if the sait Leftards can bitch it is because the leaders keep talking crap on issues they don't understand.

This is pushback from the Right tired of the Left calling them the same thing along with other colorful metaphors or socially inept descriptions. I still get a laugh when they say "Right wing attack machine" and keep a straight face. Damn hypocrites.

[Alfacentori]

To be fair KoTeMoRe the left is just as bad, arguably worse, when it comes to sterotyping the right, especially in Australia, where leftwing politics is the norm both in the media and government of late.

I'm not going to bother debating Karzai, we all know he's a corrupt clown, but that's a separate issue. The left in Oz has the view that if you don't agree with them and their worldview that you are intolerant and backward, and to be honest a lot of people are getting sick of it. A lot of people are tired of being told that the left is 'progressive', while being in anyway right or conservative is backward and old fashioned, what a load of crap. If you think the right (and I speak specifically of Australia here) is the more intolerant you must have blinkers on, the opposite is true.

I will conceed however that much of the 'white noise' from the left is a vocal minority (as is probably always the case), with Australia politics still largely centre left, not pure left, and that centre swings easily. Mind you my opinion of the left is a bit swayed from spending three years at university and having the left agenda thrown at me day in and day out without even the attempt to present a balanced viewpoint. The left is presented as 'common sense', the right as 'backward' and the past, so yeah I can understand the frustration of many on the right or centre right who are sick of being labelled by the vocal left.

Alfa

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

To be fair KoTeMoRe the left is just as bad, arguably worse, when it comes to sterotyping the right, especially in Australia, where leftwing politics is the norm both in the media and government of late.

I'm not going to bother debating Karzai, we all know he's a corrupt clown, but that's a separate issue. The left in Oz has the view that if you don't agree with them and their worldview that you are intolerant and backward, and to be honest a lot of people are getting sick of it. A lot of people are tired of being told that the left is 'progressive', while being in anyway right or conservative is backward and old fashioned, what a load of crap. If you think the right (and I speak specifically of Australia here) is the more intolerant you must have blinkers on, the opposite is true.

I will conceed however that much of the 'white noise' from the left is a vocal minority (as is probably always the case), with Australia politics still largely centre left, not pure left, and that centre swings easily. Mind you my opinion of the left is a bit swayed from spending three years at university and having the left agenda thrown at me day in and day out without even the attempt to present a balanced viewpoint. The left is presented as 'common sense', the right as 'backward' and the past, so yeah I can understand the frustration of many on the right or centre right who are sick of being labelled by the vocal left.

Alfa

Should try studying Fine Art and see how insane the leftist agenda is pushed. Even for this Commie I find it to much and am always getting in the ****.

[Ordie]

I am disgusted at the comments of some of my so-called Australian citizens in regards to an Article written by Paul Sheehan about the case against the Commandos here in Australia.

Why does Australia have mandatory voting?