Reply With QuoteIran's mullah regime is on borrowed time. The people there have had enough of the party line, hopefully they will do everyone a favor and start a new revolution.
Party Geert Wilders: We should attack Iran
Just a couple of hours ago a member of the Dutch party of Geert Wilders (PVV) stated that the Western countries should attack Iran. Because if they don't, it will mean the destruction of the Western world, the PVV-MP stated.
I can only find a dutch news article now:
http://nos.nl/artikel/205216-pvvhet-...aanvallen.htmlPVV: het Westen moet Iran aanvallen
De PVV wil dat de westerse landen Iran aanvallen. Het zou een preventieve oorlog moeten zijn, omdat de PVV bang is dat Iran over niet al te lange tijd de beschikking heeft over kernwapens.
"Via een aanval moeten we onze eigen vernietiging voorkomen", zegt PVV'er Kortenoeven. Hij vindt dat de rest van de Tweede Kamer veel te luchtig doet over de gevaren van de islam.
"Terroristen zijn geen eenlingen. Hun denkbeelden zijn in de islam geen uitzondering", zegt het PVV-Kamerlid. Minister Rosenthal van Buitenlandse Zaken heeft nog niet gereageerd op de oproep voor een oorlog tegen Iran.
English Translation:
PVV, the West should attack Iran
The PVV wants that the Western countries attack Iran. It would be a preventive war, because the Freedom Party is afraid that Iran does not take long to have access to nuclear weapons.
"Due to an attack, we must prevent our own destruction, " said PVV'er Kortenoeven. He thinks that the rest of the House is much too airy about the dangers of Islam.
"Terrorists are not loners. Their views are not unusual in Islam, "the PVV MP. Rosenthal Minister of Foreign Affairs has not yet responded to the call for a war against Iran.
Iran's mullah regime is on borrowed time. The people there have had enough of the party line, hopefully they will do everyone a favor and start a new revolution.
I think Iran should be brought down too, but with Geert Wilders dropped into the country first... No offense Dutch people
Another one of these we should attack Iran/North Korea soon threads.
Geert Wilders and his party is the best marketing agency that the Mullahs and Fundamentalist can ever buy.
IS that REALLY the case?Originally Posted by G-AWZT
I'm not saying that because I know differently.......but some smart folks like Robert Baer are amongst the few to caution us in the west that relying on middle/upper class, educated, liberal, and western leaning Iranian minority viewpoints could be quite dangerous for us to assume that is the majority view of the Iranian people.
I'm all for seeing a democratic Iranian government that is interested in cooperating with and reducing tensions with the west...however it needs to come about
But i'm pretty sure that if I was a blue collar Iranian growing up being taught the CIA lead a successful coup against Iran's elected government, stories of how the US was happy to see BOTH sides bleed dry and BOTH sides LOSE in the Iran/Iraq War, with the world largely ignoring Iraqi WMD use against Iran but WMD used as a pretext to invade it's neighbour, and the US giving a medal to the commander of the Vincennes that shot down a civilian Iranian airliner......I might not be too supportive of the liberal and educated class.
Just stating the obvious and awkward stuff I reckon......
What's the Farsi word for lefty hippy?
Maybe the Iranian people look at their minority, liberal, middle class much like folks here look at Alex Baldwin and Sean Penn?
Maybe the majority of the Iranian people would like to see regime change.....but I think it would be incredibly dangerous to just ASSUME that the sliver of coverage and opinions from the Iranian people that we receive in the west are an accurate cross section of Iranian public opinion.
I wish I spoke Farsi so I could try and find out myself without anyone trying to shape my opinion.
Flagg, I've wondered some of those same things myself. We hear from the middle class disproportionately, because they know foreign languages and can travel.
During the Spanish Civil War, the Nationalists won the propaganda battle that way. Peasants and workers who had been the victims of Franquist campaigns couldn't tell their story to foreign correspondents because they spoke no language but their own, while educated, middle class Spaniards who had been driven from their homes by the Republicans often knew English and French, and could give interviews presenting their side of events.
This is precisely as they see their urbanized and relatively well-educated MINORITY in Iran. While the pictures from Tehran demonstrations were dramatic, they, in reality, showed only a small part of largely conservative Iranian population.IS that REALLY the case?
I'm all for seeing a democratic Iranian government that is interested in cooperating with and reducing tensions with the west...however it needs to come about
But i'm pretty sure that if I was a blue collar Iranian growing up being taught the CIA lead a successful coup against Iran's elected government, stories of how the US was happy to see BOTH sides bleed dry and BOTH sides LOSE in the Iran/Iraq War, with the world largely ignoring Iraqi WMD use against Iran but WMD used as a pretext to invade it's neighbour, and the US giving a medal to the commander of the Vincennes that shot down a civilian Iranian airliner......I might not be too supportive of the liberal and educated class.
Just stating the obvious and awkward stuff I reckon......
What's the Farsi word for lefty hippy?
Maybe the Iranian people look at their minority, liberal, middle class much like folks here look at Alex Baldwin and Sean Penn?
How many years can this carry on though?
The longer you leave it, the more experienced they become, more bombs they could make.
Or leave them trusting they have been using Nuclear material as a means of Electricity etc..
There has the be a decision soon?
It's been going on for a few years as it is and the Iranians have admitted building the Nuclear facilities for a few years now.
But for what means?
It's hard to know how close they are. I just hope they don't develop nukes before Obama leaves office, which hopefully will be two years from now.
Iran is a democracy though, just not as we know it. That's the kicker; at some point in time everyone, including the mullahs, are elected by someone. Even the Supreme Leader is appointed by people who stand for public election. Their electoral system is best described as 'paranoid', powers are strangely divided and the politics of this is very complicated. It's quite obviously what happens when you get a revolutionary movement making it up as it goes along and more and more power has been devolved from the mullahs since the revolution.IS that REALLY the case?
I'm not saying that because I know differently.......but some smart folks like Robert Baer are amongst the few to caution us in the west that relying on middle/upper class, educated, liberal, and western leaning Iranian minority viewpoints could be quite dangerous for us to assume that is the majority view of the Iranian people.
I'm all for seeing a democratic Iranian government that is interested in cooperating with and reducing tensions with the west...however it needs to come about
But i'm pretty sure that if I was a blue collar Iranian growing up being taught the CIA lead a successful coup against Iran's elected government, stories of how the US was happy to see BOTH sides bleed dry and BOTH sides LOSE in the Iran/Iraq War, with the world largely ignoring Iraqi WMD use against Iran but WMD used as a pretext to invade it's neighbour, and the US giving a medal to the commander of the Vincennes that shot down a civilian Iranian airliner......I might not be too supportive of the liberal and educated class.
Just stating the obvious and awkward stuff I reckon......
What's the Farsi word for lefty hippy?
Maybe the Iranian people look at their minority, liberal, middle class much like folks here look at Alex Baldwin and Sean Penn?
Maybe the majority of the Iranian people would like to see regime change.....but I think it would be incredibly dangerous to just ASSUME that the sliver of coverage and opinions from the Iranian people that we receive in the west are an accurate cross section of Iranian public opinion.
I wish I spoke Farsi so I could try and find out myself without anyone trying to shape my opinion.
The problem as I see it is that the Axis of Evil gave the hardliners the political capital that they needed to stage a backlash against a society that was gradually and by it's own volition liberalising. The more action taken the more the conservatives become entrenched. What to do about this, god knows. Everything seems to come down to lots and lots of people getting killed. This is becoming a bit of a drag you know?
I'd hazard North Korea is a far more serious and realistic threat.
X2, Wilders is a fool.I think Iran should be brought down too, but with Geert Wilders dropped into the country first... No offense Dutch people
Iran a democracy and only a minority of the country was demonstrating last year? Haha, you guys even don't know were you're talking about.
Tell us more...
Great, intellectual elaboration.
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