I carry a Kimber Pro Carry II, a 4 inch aluminum framed 1911. It sits great in some Milt Sparks IWB leather, and can pretty much disappear under the lightest of t-shirts. I carry in South Florida, so jackets are usually not an option.
Serious as a heart attack. Being an armed citizen is a right, but it comes with great responsibility. If one isn't prepared to take a life, one shouldn't carry a firearm. I don't mean to sound glib, but whatever people say about defending themselves, their families, etc. it boils down to shooting and very likely killing another human being.Originally Posted by Deathchant
Very well said.
^^^agree, which is why i laugh when i hear someone say "I shoot to injure first" that shot might be the one and only you will ever make that matters, make it count.
I'm slightly concerned (just slightly) because it seems that a lot of our European friends seem to think that carrying a handgun equals pulling it out at the grocery store if we think we've been over charged, or shooting out someone's car windows for driving like a jack ass. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
I got my first carry permit in 1997. I was 24, and just out of the USMC. In the 13+ years since then, I've never been remotely close to a situation at home in which I felt I needed to draw my handgun.
I've heard from a few carriers that have been in situations; one guy that has been in an armed robbery situation twice. He had his carry gun, and was with two other friends that were carrying also.
Two guys come into the restaurant or bar with a shotgun and a pistol. His only thought was "Dear God, please don't let anyone in here pull right now..."
As mentioned, there is that level of responsibility you have to have when bystanders are around, as well. As they often are. Have to be able to make the judgment if and when the time comes, as to whether or not it's the right thing to pull it out.
That is to say , it's not like everyone who has a carry permit is always drawing his gun.
You mean none of you goes around smaking people with your piece? Thats why I carry a 1911 for, it doubles as a baton. "excuse me sir but you cut in line. *Smack* know the face bitch!" "How will you be paying, sir? Cash or Credit? *places pistol on the table* Does your establishment accept this? Thought so"
I kid of course, but I'm sure a lot of people who dont like guns thinks thats how we "rednecks" are.
Yeah, that's why foreigners think we're a bunch of cowboys.
Glock 17 in a galco IWB or... wait for it... Makarov in a IWB, appendix carry.
It doesnt help that Hollywood portrays gun owners as such too. Ever notice in all the movies you see outside of government agents or former agents officers and what not. You never see a happy family being attacked with nothing more than a single barrel that their "grandfathers left behind."
There's Walking Tall (with The Rock, not seen the old version), where in the climax, the bad guys are only defeated because the protagonist managed to convince his dad to keep the shotgun ready for self-defence.
Yes, that and the fact it was in the script...
Not at all my man, it just seems that most of the people posting on here (in my mind at least) must either live in large town/citys, live in a rough ass neighbourhood or have been on the wrong end of something nasty so feel its a good idea.
Most people have made good cases for their arguement, im not of the guns are wrong clan anyway. I just wanted to gain a small insight into the minds of the people who do carry.
I come from a country where gun ownership is not an easy thing to obtain legaly and the choice of firearms is small. Gun crime is tiny in Britian and therefore carrying a concealed weapon is not realy seen as something to be considered a "right" as some of you think it is.
That said you can apply for a licence for anything up to a fully automatic assault rifle its just assesed on if you actualy have a need for such a weapon as to whether you get it.
I completely understand why people in country like US would want to carry a gun.
But id never want it here. All kinds of amateurs carrying loaded guns around in a cities sounds horrifying. Im sure in no time number of people dying in gun accidents would overrun number of people dying in crimes. I dont trust my fellow finns to be responsible for them to carry guns. Thats also one thing that in learned army, no matter how much you are taught about gun safety, there is also that dumbass who still manages to mess it up. It would also make those brawls, by grills quite more deadly...
I can only speak for Germany. I must say you are right, the most Germans are badly influenced by Hollywood...
Guns, crime - "American conditions!" they cry loud without any understanding of the real life in the US of A.
A lot of Germans had the permission to own firearms for competitive shooting (like me), hunting or collecting, but it is almost impossible to get a carry permit (to make a long story short).
Our foes are actually the lefty Green Party and especially the socialist/communist Left Party. They want to ban any firearms from civilians.
But after the last tragedy school shooting we had in spring of 2009, the legal gun owners founded two associations who tries hardly to make public relations and to work the corridors of the federal and the states parliaments against more stringent laws.
If this works, CCW is on their agenda because violent/homicide crimes are increasing and the numbers of police officers f.e. were reduced since more than a decade because of low budgets.
PS.: @ PEMM:
Nobody has to fear armed civilians when they have a clean criminal record. When I was a police officer I was allowed to carry my service pistol (P6) off-duty. I carried always. Since I'm retired my government did not trust me anymore. Make no sense to me.
They did not trust me enough to carry a baton any longer since the last changes in our weapons law, they allow me to carry a pistol for blankets or very mild chemical mazes (CN and CS, no pepper spray!). And I know by my own experience that is useless if only one bad guy has a knife f.e.
Last edited by Veto11; 01-27-2011 at 10:19 AM.
That's an inherent quality in all movies, so I don't see the point, which was about the portrayal of guns in movies.
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