Egyptians torch Shafiq HQ as vote triggers violence
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=271774
One can only wonder what will happen if Shafiq turns out to be the winner of the next round of elections.
Ahhh, democracy, where its only good if your guy is winning
I wouldn't be surprised if the MB called for a coup and revolt if they lose...they've won too much power already due to cutthroat sidelining the original revolutionaries. They are legitimate now, and poised to possibly win. There is no way they will jeapordize that with a victory by someone else.
There will be blood. The revolution is not over yet - it never is.
They have always been legitimate contenders, it is legal that they were not. Blood? I would not worry about blood. I would worry about refugees.
Couldn't help but think of the Weimar Republic when I read about Shafiq's HQ being torched.Originally Posted by IconOfEvi
Ahhh, democracy, where its only good if your guy is winning
I wouldn't be surprised if the MB called for a coup and revolt if they lose...they've won too much power already due to cutthroat sidelining the original revolutionaries. They are legitimate now, and poised to possibly win. There is no way they will jeapordize that with a victory by someone else.
There will be blood. The revolution is not over yet - it never is.
It's not like the Egyptians are used to voting as we know it. Give them some time and stop judging.
Sorry to be a stick in the mud but the same was true for Germans in the 1930s.
But the Germans at least had a wider experience of voting and democracy to some extent. I'm not sure the same can be said of Egyptians? I think they just need some time to figure out where they want to go and who they want to be. I just hope they make the right choices because if they don't the hell that was Egypt under Mubarak will be remembered as the "good old days".
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As you know very well, I give tons of chances when it comes to developing a rooted democracy.
However, the problem is I see better prospects for legitimate democracy in Afghanistan than in current Egypt.
The only lines that seem appropriate to modern Egypt are from The Planet Of The Apes
IT'S A MADHOUSE!
YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP!
Keep in mind that we don't hear enough from Joe Egyptian on the street, we generally only hear from politicians and the blow hards to make enough racket to create news.
I say give them time, let them make mistakes and grow from them, and most importantly let their mistakes be Egyptian ones.
They lack diplomatic traditions, so they need indeed time to stabilize their society if they succeed in doing so.
But besides the struggles of power, that may not end after the presidential elections, they will have to deal with a catastrophic economic situation. The most worrisome is that they run out of reserves of foreign currencies, yet they depend on import to feed the population. This won't be a stabilizing factor neither.
You know, I can't get over the fact that Egypt can't feed itself. I mean it was the bread basket of the Roman Empire and the Venetians and Genoese fought war after war for trading rights there. What the fuck happened to the place? What Egypt needs is good relations with Israel, maybe they will see the light in time, or starve, it's really their choice.
If I answer you question I would be called racist, so I better dont
Feel free to recommend a book, I'm travelling again this week and need a new read anyhow.If I answer you question I would be called racist, so I better dont
Germans (as such) had roughly 80 years of indirect voting and 60 of direct voting when Hitler came to power.
Lawb how many books can you digest in a week?
I would recommend an article from Hasanayn Kishk.
*Poverty and pauperization in Urban Egypt. A preliminary inquiry.*
1998 study that covers the three fundamentals.
1. Badly planned and handled privatization of the fertile land.
2. A gradual de-investment of the State into food crops.
3. A general reinvestment in foreign investment (tourism).
It adds two *political* points.
a. Corruption stemmed from the US backing of Mubarak. (No political competition = nepotism).
b. A general disenchantment of the population with the ruling faction (rise of illegal alternatives).
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