Reply With QuoteSorry if this is a repost. Sounds like the US is trying to arm the rebels through third parties: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...tml?from_rss=1
I don't know, how much Libyan Su-24MK is downgraded comparing to original Su-24M, but one thing is sure, that there is no countermeasures, when the plane is in range of AA guns. You could not jam AA guns. The question is only why Su-24 was so close to AA guns. I read somewhere, that Su-24 need well trained crews, because it is quite complicated plane, that Iranians have some difficulties to master Su-24 and Iranians are technically better educated than Arabs. Maybe Qaddafi have now mercenary pilots for Su-24, which are not skilled to operate Su-24 properly and that may be a reason, why they use only dumb bombs and unguided rockets with this plane and come to close to AA guns.Erm, what's so severely downgraded? Su-24 has the same capability to fly low, automatically changing altitude, it can use a LOT of guided weapons and so on.
Sorry if this is a repost. Sounds like the US is trying to arm the rebels through third parties: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...tml?from_rss=1
Ras Lanuf - Bin Jawad, 7/03/2011. Rebels try to defend himself from loyalist air bombing
According to Wiki, current Libyan air force status is as follows:Originally Posted by Snoshi
Dassault Mirage F1 Multi role fighterMirage F1BD/ED
1 (2 in Malta)
32 delivered in the seventies, most of them have disappeared. Some are based at Gamal Abdul El Nasser Air Base, south of Tobruk. In 2007, Dassault Aviation was awarded a contract to put 12 remaining airframes back into flying condition. Only four have been refitted. Two were flown to Malta on 21 February 2011 by pilots who, after being instructed to bomb protesters, chose instead to apply for asylum.
One shot down on 3 March 2011.
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Trainer/interceptor
25
Most are grounded
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23Ground attack/interceptor/trainerMiG-23BN/MS/ML/UB
124
Most are grounded. some reported captured by rebels in air bases in Benghazi and Tobruk
Sukhoi Su-22 Ground attackSukhoi Su-22M3/UM-3K
39
One lost on 23 February 2011 as the crew of two refused to follow an order to attack protesters and ejected out of their plane, which crashed near Ajdabiya, 100 miles west of Benghazi.
Sukhoi Su-24 Long range bomberSukhoi Su-24MK2
?
One lost in a fire, One reported to have been shot down outside Ra's Lanuf on 5 March 2011 by anti-Gaddafi rebels.
Soko J-21 Jastreb Light ground attack
13
Aero L-39ZO Albatros Light attack/trainer
110
Aermacchi SF-260WL Basic trainer
20
Soko G-2 Galeb Light attack/trainer
116
Mi-24 Hind attack helicopters
37
(Mig-25īs and Tu-22īs are listed as "retired")
Air Defense:
SA-2 (88) SA-3 (10) SA-6 (43)
On the "Libyan conflict - photos and videos" thread thereīs a MANPAD depicted also
One Mirage F 1 downed? Any further info on this?
It's rather disappointing to see western governments kinda of just standing by and let this unfold as it has, instead of just actively supporting the so called "rebels". Gaddafi is a mass murderer and a terrorist supporter, who has actually killed citizens of western nations, but yet these same nations that now have a chance for some payback, do nothing.
I'm on the fence as western forces being involved could exasperate the situation, however Britain did put forward the idea of a no-fly zone which was rejected by the US and France.
Don't assume that what you read in the press on this subject is reality. I think that its a reasonable assumption (with some evidence to support it) that US, UK and France have special forces advisors on the ground and embedded with rebels, now. The sorry fact is, that without proof that the majority of the populace is behind the rebellion and that there is truly a sustainable rebel coalition, this is not something the West wants to nor should be involved in at a larger level.
Libyan regime seems very weak, it has a airforce advantage over the rebels,deserted soldiers but still it can not retake the lost cities.
better you disappointed, remember what happened when some decided to support the Mujaheddin??
Qaddafi planners might want the rebels to overstretch their supply lines and their personnel to a more defensible location,
and you know what happens next,,,
Read up on post - Russo-Afghan war events... The taliban took advantage of the fact that Saudi Arabia and Iran were arming and supporting opposing militia groups which gave the Taliban the opportunity it needed.
And actually...the Taliban disarmed a large portion of the populace that came under their control.
Payback? You sond rather "stone agy".
Also why should be support those rebels? Its a civil war. Did you see the west support any of the Chad groups? Kongo groups? Any of the leaders of those nations have "used their army against their people" because its a freaking rebellion going on!
Besides the fact that the rebels most likely are no better than Gaddafi is.
I'm sure you are an expert on the neolithic era and I'm glad you feel superior in the knowledge that you are better than your genetically identical ancestors.
There is a good chance that if Gaddafi was killed his forces would give up. This has been seen with the death of dictators multiple times throughout history.
and where were we when all this was happening? understand the point we can give tons of weapons and ammo to the Libyan mob, but we have no control of what will come after.
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