Reply With Quotetrondjac: Ow...so there is no one to stop the purges now.
Kinda sad really...Originally Posted by Al-Bundy
But, then again, it isn't like 'Jew' has stopped being considered a pejorative word used by many adolescents. Granted it isn't as severe as the ME/old Europe context but still...
It looked like it started out more-or-less peaceful, but considering the government reaction and subsequent events, I'd say we are in the "storming the Bastille" stage. YMMV on it being justified.
trondjac: Ow...so there is no one to stop the purges now.
Main reason for those uprising were corruption of regimes and poor quality of life, than it all got hiveminded and here you go, dictators are running for their lifes. Both these issues can be solved politically. As for democracy functioning in states like those (namely Lybia which is still devided into sort of tribial society, furtunatelly nothing on level of Pashto) I could point out a few states which were able to do so in past. Bytheway what have done dissident in all East European states in 89, with exception of Romania? Made a deal with high ranking members of communist parties and members of secret police to change regimes without major bloodshed and here you go, the secret of basis of East European democracies. And for better or worse, it worked out better than what was here for 40 years.
Tabula Rasa? I guess poor Romanians donīt know how to make a proper revolt as well.
Iīm sorry but maybe I misunderstood you. Werenīt you writing about media coverage in that post of yours?Plus any other news about Tunisia? No? How come? Simple nothing has changed in Tunisia.
I already had a discussion about this with gazell but as you wish. As I see youīre not talking about actuall crossing of Schengen border without getting noticed (what is a hell of a task) but about procedure after getting immigrants to detention centers. The problem lies in few things - first, more than 95 percent of request for asylum in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Slovenia are denied, most of them in summary proceeding which takes weeks at max, second - those who are denied request for asylum are sent back to countries of origin, no question asked and third - since all, every single one detention center in those countries are operating above 100 percent capacity great deal of immigrants isnīt even transported there but rather just transported back to non-Schengen country off the paper, our patrols on border with Ukraine could tell a story or two about that.
KoTeMoRe: I don't want to try to tear down your theories, I'm just saying what i think is a huge difference between Iraq , and what is happening in north Africa. So with the purge, u mean that there is mightier people in these countries who, flush out these dictators, but they will take the power them self and everything will be the same?
I , personally , remain very sceptical about results of this pan-Arab revolution. Arab states are desperately weak , this isn`t something new , it roots are deeply embedded with the fall of first Caliphate. Until Arabs don`t get political genius like Turks have got in the form of Kemal Pasha , main problems and challenges await Arabs not today ,no tomorrow but for the next 10-20-30 years. I would be happy if someone can convince me that i`m wrong.
I wasn't saying you're wrong...I'm just saying that indeed the purges and the vengeance won't be stopped by that invading army.
Oh yeah how can one solve these issues "politically". Poor quality of life? Tribalism. Arrieration? Corruption of Regimes? Wich one? The ones that traded with Ghadaffi, Mubarak and Ben Ali were mostly the prominent figures of these lands. Be that Tribal leaders, Businessmen, Foreigners. IE money.
So there you go, Money talks only to Power. As for the past...None of the past constitutions stood the test of Regime change. None of the Eastern Regimes kept it's socialist and oppressive identity.
All Eastern countries underwent tabula rasa and shock therapy. That's why the commies came back in the late 90's everywhere in Eastern and Central Europe.
I was speaking about media coverage of Tunisia, that stopped because the follow up might tarnish the whole "Jasmin Revolution" image.
In my opinion money equals politics, corruption which has its main roots in politics (as on state, so on tribial or private sector level) is the main reason for poor quality of life when the funds which should be used in public sector are rather given to the friends of the friends and I never said that Tunisia, Egypt or Lybia for all that matters will become Norway like state in this century, Iīm saying they can do better with functioning goverment which rotates on 4 years term rather than with stuck up government which never goes away and do not have to fear repression of the state forces which should be investigation this behaviour. Will that happen? Hell if I know, but I think that chances now are higher than there were few months ago. And commies never came back, they never went away in the first place, they changed their behaviour, adapted to the situation, they made all those social democratic parties and mostly, they entered private sector, used the wild privatization of all Eastern European states in 90s and in the end became sponsors of anyone willing to bend for them for little more of money. They never went away, they just changed their names.
Media coverage of Tunisia went away because things in Egypt started heating up, than that went away because things in Lybia went messy and when Gaddafi falls, as it is only matter of time, coverage will turn to Yemen or Iran or another country where population will take inspiration in these revolts. Be it Algeria, Morocco or Saudi Arabia. Or it will all end up with this and we will go to our regular "Berlusconi had another hooker", "Putin - new face of Satan?", "China on the rise. Again." or "Is Obama secret moslim" type of news.
Japan is proof that your POV is naive at least...Albania is another proof.
They went away and they are away. A commie is not so by nature. A commie that "adapts" is a crook, not a commie.
No media coverage went away because Tunisia was starting to get bogged down into long discussions about legal articles. No action no coverage. Talks and statu quo is boring.
soon? they did it 3 days ago
Also, can we end Muslim interference in western world?
I am not sure what the protesters actually want: democracy, freedom, power...or just power in their own hands to do the same thing that Khadaffi was and is doing...
The protests in Tunisia and Egypt were easier to decode IMHO.
But they're western. Anyway. The issue will solved soon ...by new overlords from the East.
Which countries are the major exporters of weapons to Libya?
So is he yew or Hitler?
Looks like both...
But according to the 42 he may know the question about everything.
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