Reply With Quotesooner or later, fearless Western leaders will send their own forces, to fix their own ineptitude at backing yo-yo, hobo, rebel poser,machete, technical, clowns and look good,,,Originally Posted by Chaosmarine1
SF smash teams operating with select rebel forces, methinks.
sooner or later, fearless Western leaders will send their own forces, to fix their own ineptitude at backing yo-yo, hobo, rebel poser,machete, technical, clowns and look good,,,
That would be viola...oh wait. Who gives two cents about that UNR...we'll be arming rebels anytime now.
Why not? Its all but desert out there, theyre sitting ducks out there and since rebels retreated they just have to engage everyone outside the civilian areas.
But what danger pose men outside civilian areas?
I guess unless the Hobos get their sh"t together, NATO will have to put boots on the ground, and that is the moment when we give political Carte Blanche (thanks Cameron and Zarko) to other governments for political and arms backing of rebel movements, they can even run CAS and CAP.
Who cares?
Why am I thinking about Ivory Coast right now.
PS:
kalerab: exactly...might is right etc...good to know your lot needed 500+ pages to give it up.
Libya operations expose France-Turkey diplomatic rift
The fraught relationship between Ankara and Paris, which staunchly opposes Turkey’s accession to the EU, is laid bare as the two countries come together under the NATO umbrella to decide how Libyan operations will play out.
NATO countries agreed on Sunday to take control of military operations in Libya from the US-led coalition following tough negotiations in which Turkey had initially opposed any foreign interference in the country.
France and Turkey, in particular, were at loggerheads on the issue of political control of the ongoing operations.
Paris was keen that the coalition (USA, France and UK-led) would hold the political initiative, while NATO coordinated the military side of things.
Ankara, meanwhile, had initially wanted to use its NATO veto to limit allied operations against Libyan infrastructure and to prevent innocent civilians from being killed in the crossfire.
Diplomatic friction
For many observers, Turkey’s reluctance to engage fully in Libya stems from it’s historically complicated links with France, a country that has vocally opposed Ankara’s accession to the European Union.
Turkey, the only Muslim NATO member and an increasingly powerful voice in the Arab world, has taken a particularly dim view of France’s leadership in Libya.
“The fact that France is trying to set the agenda in Libya exasperates the Turks,” said Didier Billion, Turkey specialist at the Paris-based Institute of International and Strategic Relations (IRIS).
“Ankara was opposed to intervention in Libya – but now that the process has begun, it would rather it becomes a fully NATO-led operation than one led by the French.”
Diplomatically, France has not shined in Turkish eyes in recent weeks, analysts said. In late February, French President Nicolas Sarkozy was given a chill welcome in a whirlwind visit to Ankara during which he stayed on the ground for a few brief hours.
“I think this is not a visit that corresponds to the height of the friendship between France and Turkey," Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said at the time. "Turkey and Turkish-French relations deserve more than that."
'…a stupid mistake'
On March 19, the day after the UN resolution on Libya, France committed yet another diplomatic faux pas in “omitting” to invite Turkey to an international summit in Paris.
“This was a huge mistake,” Didier Billion said. “It was an impolite slight against Ankara as well as being a stupid mistake.”
He added: “The French executive has a tendency not to trust the Turks. They don’t like their growing influence and they don’t like them taking the initiative in the region. It is an absurd diplomatic position to take.”
If there is a growing race to impose leadership in the region, Ankara is determined to be a front-runner. Turkey will be at Tuesday’s NATO meeting in London and is expected to push its agenda hard.
“We are the only country to maintain contacts with both sides in the Libyan conflict,” said Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Cemil Cicek, and in this privileged position Ankara says it is determined to be the country that stops the situation in Libya becoming "a new Iraq or Afghanistan".
http://www.france24.com/en/20110329-...iplomatic-rift
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CDTRF
I wouldn't be surprised if Ghaddafi is being tricked into advancing once again. It was getting quite tricky to justify the CAS to advancing rebels, in order to save the civillian population, and the human race in general. With Ghaddafi on the offensive again, it will be easier to continue - and even take it further, arming the rebels and widen the air campaign to actually destroy the libyan army once and for all. Perhaps even deploy ground troops eventually.
Problem is it will get harder and hard to tell which side is which.
Until recently: Dudes with tanks = enemy, dudes with technicals and funny looks = friendly.
Now the Ghaddafi fighters don't look too different anymore. Maybe some sort of airborne competence sensor?
The troops acting a little more competent are enemy?
Al Jazeeras guy with the rebel "army" said that Gadaffis forces were now advancing with small mortar units along the flanks of the rebels, bombarding the roads which the rebels cling on to, when the mortar shells strike the rebels turn their trucks around and gets the **** outta there.
Ras Lanuf and Brega under loyalist control again...that's quick
well the rebels are not an army : they are a bunch of civies with AKs, RPGs, KPV and 107 mm LRM
so no self control, cool head and dig in or counter battery stance to expect
moreover (and i will point this out for all the europeans and US members not regular with this part of Africa way of war) that up and down waves style is the style of the region
the people in the area is accustomed to a clanic way of waging wars (raids named rezzou leading to small scale clashes and follow up or pull back)
they are not accustomed to a Clausewitzian way of waging war (i.e ; full annihilation of ennemies battle corps)
unless somebody form some NCO and field officers to coordonate the rebels we will see this mess (charging on/pulling back) for a loooong time
From pictures, videos, news, articles, opinions etc i think the name of the operation is the best they could give ever....
Odyssey Dawn
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