Reply With QuoteYou sure about that? That looks more like the typical 5.45x39 mag on the AK74M but it's hard to tell the curvature of the magazine without a comparisonOriginally Posted by marco9
7.62x39mm magazine. I'd confirm AK-103.
You sure about that? That looks more like the typical 5.45x39 mag on the AK74M but it's hard to tell the curvature of the magazine without a comparison
First footage from cockpit of Apache: Hellfire vs. Radar Tower. Wow, talk about precise
Cockpit footage of strikes on Libyan targets
Some night footage from French Tiger's:
Night strikes by French Tigre helicopters
Those gun shots from the Tigre looks pretty spread out. No sound so I could not tell the distance they were shooting from.
From the streets of Benghazi
"No to rumours" "Don't disturb kids with your use of weapons"
Back on track:
n this photo made available by French Army Saturday June 4, 2011, combat helicopters are prepared on the deck of French navy vessel BPC Tonnerre in the Mediterranean sea. British Apache and French attack helicopters struck targets for the first time in NATO's campaign in Libya, hitting Moammar Gadhafi's troops early Saturday near a key coastal oil town, the alliance said. Hours later, at least eight airstrikes were heard in Tripoli.
A French military attack helicopter is prepared for its first military operation in Libya, on the deck of the French Navy helicopter carrier Tonnerre somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea in this June 3, 2011 photograph released by the French military on June 4, 2011.
French attack helicopters are prepared for their first military operation in Libya, on the deck of the French Navy helicopter carrier Tonnerre, somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea, in this June 3, 2011 photograph released by the French military on June 4, 2011.
A member of the French military prepares a attack helicopter for its first military operation in Libya, on the deck of the French Navy helicopter carrier Tonnerre somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea in this June 3, 2011 photograph released by the French military on June 4, 2011.
A door gunner looks out from a French military attack helicopter as it takes off to participate in their first military operation in Libya from the French Navy helicopter carrier Tonnerre somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea, in this June 3, 2011 photograph released by the French military on June 4, 2011.
French military attack helicopters (L) takes off from the deck of the French Navy helicopter carrier Tonnerre, to participate in their first military operation in Libya somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea, in this June 3, 2011 photograph released by the French military on June 4, 2011. NATO employed attack helicopters to hit targets in Libya for the first time on Saturday, an alliance statement said. Picture taken June 3, 2011.
A French military attack helicopter takes off from the deck of the French Navy helicopter carrier Tonnerre somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea, to participate in their first military operation in Libya, in this June 3, 2011 photograph released by the French military on June 4, 2011. NATO employed attack helicopters to hit targets in Libya for the first time on Saturday, an alliance statement said. Picture taken June 3, 2011.
This image taken from video and made available by the British Ministry of Defense, MOD, shows a British Apache helicopter taking off from the deck of the HMS Ocean in the Mediterranean Sea, off Libya on Saturday June 4, 2011. British Apache and French attack helicopters struck targets for the first time in NATO's campaign in Libya, hitting Moammar Gadhafi's troops early Saturday near a key coastal oil city, the alliance said.
Door gunners aboard a French military attack helicopter take part in their first military operation in Libya, after taking off from the French Navy helicopter carrier Tonnerre, somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea, in this June 3, 2011 photograph released by the French military on June 4, 2011.
Crew members aboard a French military attack helicopter participate in their first military operation in Libya, after taking off from the deck of the French Navy helicopter carrier Tonnerre somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea, in this June 3, 2011 photograph released by the French military on June 4, 2011.
A French military Tigre attack helicopter is seen through a night-vision device as it takes off to participate in their first military operation in Libya, from the French Navy helicopter carrier Tonnerre somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea, in this June 3, 2011 photograph released by the French military on June 4, 2011. NATO employed attack helicopters to hit targets in Libya for the first time on Saturday, an alliance statement said. Picture taken June 3, 2011
A night-vision sight shows unspecified targets hit by a French military Tigre attack helicopter during their first military operation in Libya, in this June 3, 2011 photograph released by the French military on June 4, 2011.
In this photo made available by French Army Saturday June 4, 2011, aircrew are briefed aboard the French navy vessel BPC Tonnerre in the Mediterranean sea. British Apache and French attack helicopters struck targets for the first time in NATO's campaign in Libya, hitting Moammar Gadhafi's troops early Saturday near a key coastal oil town, the alliance said. Hours later, at least eight airstrikes were heard in Tripoli.
From the french helicopter footage that I've seen from Afghanistan, its the same thing. Cannon was spread out and the non-laser guided rockets didn't hit a thing.
You could calculate the distance by measuring the time between the cannon firing and the rounds hitting. (you don't need sound, you can tell by the little wobble in the picture when it fires.) You'll need to count the frames between when the wobble starts and first round hits.
Last edited by Franzuu; 06-04-2011 at 03:43 PM.
In fact they were pretty far with a high speed traverse angle. Rockets are SNEB 68mm multi dart, they dont need to hit precisely the target.
The astan footage showed gun and rocket fire from 2000 m and beyond.From the french helicopter footage that I've seen from Afghanistan, its the same thing. Cannon was spread out and the non-laser guided rockets didn't hit a thing.
Here it looks to be quite the same range meaning long range for a gun and non guided rockets (see the level of magnification of the FLIR and the size of the houses and bunkers)
Anyway this is not very important for the rockets which are area effect Apers ammos
But the sooner we get Hellfires, the better
Thanks for the videos
while the Apache strie on the radar tower is clear, I can't really see what the Tigres are firing at ? Infantrymen ?
Without more information, we can only guess ... There was some explosions (Gazelle's HOT ?) and then the Tiger seemed to spray the whole zone. It seems there are some guys running.
From article
Seems like infantrymen, IFVs, technicians and probably some CnC centers."The targets struck included military vehicles, military equipment and fielded forces," the statement said, without giving details of the location of the strikes.
Rebel fighters training in Benghazi, 4th of June
Rebel fighters in Dafniya, west of Misurata
The gate across the road at the beginning of the video is just some kms east of Mersa el-Brega. The landscape shown through the video - the flattish hills, are closer to Mersa el-Brega than to Agedabia.Libyan forces claim to have advanced on Eastern front to Ajdabya, as always unverifiable. Notice a "mercenary" among them
For those who do not know yet
Take cover behind ammo crates, because best defence is offence
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