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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximmmm View Post
    That's why I rarely comment on the Arab spring threads. Especially the stuff in Syria. All those vids of randomly dressed men with kalashnikovs standing in front of banners and surrounded by other random arms just instantly brings Chechnya and it's "freedom fighters" to mind. Not to say that the regime ain't brutal, but it's like an allergic reaction.

    I think maybe some other Russians subconsciously have the same feeling.
    I sense that as well, and I think it's totally understandable. I just get sick of the entire opposition being painted as Al-Qaeda because some people can't distinguish between different brown people. It's ridiculous. The people who are most affected by this conflict are neither Assad's regime, nor the FSA, but the civilians.

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    Hama shelling undermines Syria truce

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    Syrian army killed over 20 people in Hama, according to activists; UN political affairs chief: Fighting continues despite truce.


    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=267244

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    Quote Originally Posted by gresh View Post
    I sense that as well, and I think it's totally understandable. I just get sick of the entire opposition being painted as Al-Qaeda because some people can't distinguish between different brown people. It's ridiculous. The people who are most affected by this conflict are neither Assad's regime, nor the FSA, but the civilians.
    The thing is, it's not like their isn't deserving good people protesting and wanting change, it's just if the change comes the radicals will likely be the ones to seize the moment. Who wants it more (will use more violence) ? That's why economic carrot and stick and trying to slowly push the current regime to implement democratic reforms is IMHO the correct approach. Otherwise if Assad's regime goes it will still be the civilians being most affected.

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    In Syria, Lebanon’s Most Wanted Sunni Terrorist Blows Himself Up

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    By Aryn Baker and Rami Aysha/Beirut

    When one of Lebanon’s most wanted terrorists kills himself while planting a bomb it is cause for at least some sort of grim celebration. But when the chief bomb-maker of the country’s most notorious terror group self detonates while helping rebels fight in Syria, it is cause for concern.

    TIME has learned that Abdel Ghani Jawhar, one of the leaders of the Sunni fundamentalist terror group Fatah al-Islam, died in the Syrian city of Qsair on Friday night. The founding cleric of Fatah al Islam, Sheikh Osama al Shihabi, confirmed Jawhar’s death to TIME with a quote from the Koran: “‘We are for God and to him we return.’ We as Mujahideen are used to being killed and if God wants to give those killed dignity he gives them martyrdom. This is the path of righteousness.”


    Read more: http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/201...#ixzz1suvA5LL9

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    Quote Originally Posted by One? View Post
    In Syria, Lebanon’s Most Wanted Sunni Terrorist Blows Himself Up

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    By Aryn Baker and Rami Aysha/Beirut

    When one of Lebanon’s most wanted terrorists kills himself while planting a bomb it is cause for at least some sort of grim celebration. But when the chief bomb-maker of the country’s most notorious terror group self detonates while helping rebels fight in Syria, it is cause for concern.

    TIME has learned that Abdel Ghani Jawhar, one of the leaders of the Sunni fundamentalist terror group Fatah al-Islam, died in the Syrian city of Qsair on Friday night. The founding cleric of Fatah al Islam, Sheikh Osama al Shihabi, confirmed Jawhar’s death to TIME with a quote from the Koran: “‘We are for God and to him we return.’ We as Mujahideen are used to being killed and if God wants to give those killed dignity he gives them martyrdom. This is the path of righteousness.”


    Read more: http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/201...#ixzz1suvA5LL9

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    Good. If he killed UN peacekeepers, this is karma. The FSA shouldn't align itself with Muslim radicals. It just sullies their reputation and credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gresh View Post
    Good. If he killed UN peacekeepers, this is karma. The FSA shouldn't align itself with Muslim radicals. It just sullies their reputation and credibility.
    Seriously dude ........ FSA are the Muslim radicals!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by One? View Post
    In Syria, Lebanon’s Most Wanted Sunni Terrorist Blows Himself Up

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    By Aryn Baker and Rami Aysha/Beirut

    When one of Lebanon’s most wanted terrorists kills himself while planting a bomb it is cause for at least some sort of grim celebration. But when the chief bomb-maker of the country’s most notorious terror group self detonates while helping rebels fight in Syria, it is cause for concern.

    TIME has learned that Abdel Ghani Jawhar, one of the leaders of the Sunni fundamentalist terror group Fatah al-Islam, died in the Syrian city of Qsair on Friday night. The founding cleric of Fatah al Islam, Sheikh Osama al Shihabi, confirmed Jawhar’s death to TIME with a quote from the Koran: “‘We are for God and to him we return.’ We as Mujahideen are used to being killed and if God wants to give those killed dignity he gives them martyrdom. This is the path of righteousness.”


    Read more: http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/201...#ixzz1suvA5LL9

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    Allah akhbar ! What?! no video?

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    Quote Originally Posted by themacedonian View Post
    Allah akhbar ! What?! no video?
    Hahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by themacedonian View Post
    Seriously dude ........ FSA are the Muslim radicals!!
    Okay...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamming_python View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by gresh View Post
    Okay...
    You still believe that they are saints fighting for democracy? Come on, you cant really be that naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyusu View Post
    You still believe that they are saints fighting for democracy? Come on, you cant really be that naive.
    Never said they were. I just think the Syrian population has a right to self-determination and basic human rights. They're not receiving either, and the FSA is a result. Problem started with the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gresh View Post
    Never said they were. I just think the Syrian population has a right to self-determination and basic human rights. They're not receiving either, and the FSA is a result. Problem started with the government.
    Like I already said, changing the regime won't fulfil this right, as the extremist aspect of the rebels will be the side which asserts it's authority. The populace still won't have self determination and basic human rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tea drinker View Post
    Like I already said, changing the regime won't fulfil this right, as the extremist aspect of the rebels will be the side which asserts it's authority. The populace still won't have self determination and basic human rights.
    You're right. Even if Assad falls, it could just turn into chaos with no one group in power. The FSA can easily be out-maneuvered politically by the Muslim Brotherhood or some other group because they have more money and experience with regime change. I still think there needs to be a cessation in violence and that Assad's daily massacres needs to be stopped. I can't fault the opposition for trying. I don't think any human being should be forced to just lay down and take it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gresh View Post
    You're right. Even if Assad falls, it could just turn into chaos with no one group in power. The FSA can easily be out-maneuvered politically by the Muslim Brotherhood or some other group because they have more money and experience with regime change. I still think there needs to be a cessation in violence and that Assad's daily massacres needs to be stopped. I can't fault the opposition for trying. I don't think any human being should be forced to just lay down and take it.
    Indeed, however this course of action conditions the termination of armed activity of all involved sides, both the legitimate Syrian army and the FSA.

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