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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichabod View Post
    Indeed, however this course of action conditions the termination of armed activity of all involved sides, both the legitimate Syrian army and the FSA.
    Couldn't agree more. I hope I see both sides stop offensive operations soon. The people of Syria need to be allowed to gather peacefully and be free from fear. I don't think the Assad regime is ever going to allow it without massive international pressure. I think it all hinges on Russia at the moment. Human rights issues also need to be addressed. People forget that torture is a common practice in the security forces. This is a country who's harbored Nazi war criminal Alois Brunner for decades so they could hire him as an "advisor" on repression and torture techniques.

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    (CNN) -- Heavy shelling hit the Syrian city of Hama on Monday, opposition activists said, days after the U.N. Security Council voted to send as many as 300 observers to monitor a tenuous cease-fire.
    At least 80 people were killed Monday in Syria, 50 of them in Hama and 21 in Idlib, according the Local Coordination Committees of Syria, a network of opposition activists. Dozens of people were also wounded in Hama, which was visited Sunday by international observers, the group said.
    Elsewhere in the city, security forces opened fire to disperse a demonstration, the Local Coordination Committees said.
    Explosions also rocked the devastated city of Homs early Monday, shaking the neighborhoods of Baba Amr and Inshaat.
    International pressure on Damascus has been mounting. European Union foreign ministers agreed to ban the export of goods and technology that might be used by Damascus to produce chemical or biological weapons. Also banned was the export of luxury goods to Syria, according to a news release issued Monday by Britain's Foreign Secretary William Hague.
    U.N. to send more monitors to Syria UN approves expanding Syrian mission Syrian activist on UN action Day of defiance in Syria
    The U.N. Security Council voted unanimously Saturday to authorize up to 300 unarmed military monitors to try to bring the Syria government into compliance with a cease-fire imposed this month.
    Though they agreed on the observer mission, Russia and China, two permanent countries on the 15-member council, have quashed attempts to take tougher action against the Syrian regime.
    U.N. Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin spoke to Christiane Amanpour, CNN's chief international correspondent, on Monday about his country's position.
    "As a matter of principle, we believe that the U.N. Security Council is not about regime change. We believe that ... if there is crisis in a country, the role of the international community should be to help the parties involved to find a political, peaceful way out of this crisis," he said.
    "And when we saw some of the resolutions, which included sanctions, we knew that those were resolutions, which were heading in the direction of regime change by force, which would, in turn, lead only to much more bloodshed in Syria."
    Churkin stressed a need to stop the violence and establish a political process.
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/23/world/...est/index.html

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    So another month has passed and no change in sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximmmm View Post
    I think maybe some other Russians subconsciously have the same feeling.

    There's nothing subconcious about it

    This isnt about Syria at all. Its Chechnya, its Yugoslavia

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    Quote Originally Posted by gresh View Post
    Good. If he killed UN peacekeepers, this is karma. The FSA shouldn't align itself with Muslim radicals. It just sullies their reputation and credibility.
    Bahahahahaha! Be sure to forward your concerns to the FSA's Freedom Democracy and Equality Bureau

    Seriously it makes my day when a terrorist prematurely self detonates! Yes!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gresh View Post
    Never said they were. I just think the Syrian population has a right to self-determination and basic human rights. They're not receiving either, and the FSA is a result. Problem started with the government.
    There is choice between the ones who oppress people who rise up and the one who... well, the ones who just oppress people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyusu View Post
    There is choice between the ones who oppress people who rise up and the one who... well, the ones who just oppress people.
    Assad is the opposition. He is the opposition to Western military dominance and neo-colonisation of the region. Who dares stand up to them?

    If the BRICS and other countries let America get what they want in Syria; next stop - they will be bombing the hell out of Iran.
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    Breakingnews services are saying "Kofi Annan spokesman: satellite imagery shows Syrian army has not withdrawn all heavy weapons from cities; is 'unacceptable'"

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    Prominent Palestinian activist and writer Salameh Kaileh was arrested overnight at his home in Damascus by Syrian authorities, human rights lawyer Anwar Bunni said on Tuesday.



    “The security services entered Kaileh’s home in the suburb of Barzeh at 2:00 am (2300 GMT Monday) and arrested him without explanation,” said Bunni.




    He said Kaileh’s detention was clearly intended to “muzzle freedom of expression.”




    The 57-year-old author, born in Birzeit in the West Bank, is a well-known leftist who has authored a number of books on subjects ranging from Marxism to Arab nationalism.




    He was imprisoned by the Syrian government in the 1990s for eight years.
    http://english.alarabiya.net/article...24/210030.html

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    <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/at-holocaust-memorial-obama-unveils-new-sanctions-on-syria-iran/" target="_blank">


    President Obama announced new steps today aimed at preventing authoritarian regimes from using mobile phone and internet technologies to perpetrate atrocities against their people.In a somber address at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial and Museum in Washington, his first visit as president, Obama said he had signed an executive order authorizing new sanctions on Syrian and Iranian companies and individuals that use internet tools to monitor, track and target dissidents.
    “These technologies should be in place to empower citizens, not to repress them,” Obama said. “And it’s one more step that we can take toward the day that we know will come, the end of the Assad regime that has brutalized the Syrian people, and allow the Syrian people to chart their own destiny.”
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...on-syria-iran/

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    Obama said he had signed an executive order authorizing new sanctions on Syrian and Iranian companies and individuals that use internet tools to monitor, track and target dissidents.
    “These technologies should be in place to empower citizens, not to repress them,” Obama said. “And it’s one more step that we can take toward the day that we know will come, the end of the Assad regime that has brutalized the Syrian people, and allow the Syrian people to chart their own destiny.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...on-syria-iran/[/QUOTE]
    Ah for flip sake, haven't western governments been signing into law internet surveillence of their own law abiding populace for years? This guy is starting to boil my p1ss

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    Quote Originally Posted by tea drinker View Post
    Ah for flip sake, haven't western governments been signing into law internet surveillence of their own law abiding populace for years? This guy is starting to boil my p1ss
    But, but... internet surveillance in US is for fighting terrorism and criminals! There are no such people in Syria!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamming_Python View Post
    Assad is the opposition. He is the opposition to Western military dominance and neo-colonisation of the region. Who dares stand up to them?

    If the BRICS and other countries let America get what they want in Syria; next stop - they will be bombing the hell out of Iran.
    Whats wrong comrade, you should be first to stand up for the oppressed masses in Syria !

    People have the right to self determination, and this powder keg and the subsequent collapse in control is Assad's just deserves.

    As for the the foreign opposition groups meddling in this sorry ass situation, well.. never let a crisis go to waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilgor View Post
    Whats wrong comrade, you should be first to stand up for the oppressed masses in Syria !

    People have the right to self determination, and this powder keg and the subsequent collapse in control is Assad's just deserves.

    As for the the foreign opposition groups meddling in this sorry ass situation, well.. never let a crisis go to waste.
    Indeed they do, that makes it all the more necessary to avoid and prevent the interference of foreign states and state-sponsored players in the internal affairs of sovereign nations.

    We have to be sober minded and note the difference between rhetoric and reality.
    In assessing the root causes, development and present state of affairs of the Syrian Crisis one should have a staid approach not tampered by personal, subjective sentiments.

    It should be taken into account that war conditions many long term negative effects starting from the most important one, and that is human tragedy, down to the destruction of the essential infrastructure and economic potential of a given area. Thus creating more problems further down the road.
    There are certain players on the international stage that are actively and methodicaly stimulating and supporting groups and organisations in the region, in pursuing action that has very destabilising effects and ultimately ends in human tragedy, because of their will to tailor the geo-political map of the region according to their interests.
    They do not retract even from armed action in order to achieve their goals whih is very irresponsible in view of the possible consequences.

    This course of action has the potential to destabilize and bring the entire region on the brink of war and not just the country in question.

    This Crisis is an internal issue of the Syrian Arab Republic and in the interest of a peaceful resolution the only vindicative and responsible course of action would be an international peacekeeping force with a clearly defined mandate to seperate the combating sides, and ensure a peaceful resolution to the crisis.
    In light of the political realities of international relations, today this would be an immense task.

    Therefore i do not see a clear light at the end of the tunnel now that certain actions have escalated the crisis to the point of no return.



    Quote Originally Posted by ISNJH View Post
    Breakingnews services are saying "Kofi Annan spokesman: satellite imagery shows Syrian army has not withdrawn all heavy weapons from cities; is 'unacceptable'"
    It is also unacceptable that the FSA and other affiliated armed formations continue staging offensive action against Syrian military positions, using the recent ceasefire aggrement as a cover for inciting provocations.

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    Syria refuses observers by nationality, claims U.S. envoy to U.N.

    Syria has refused at least one U.N. military observer because of his nationality and has made clear it will not allow in U.N. staff from any country in the “Friends of the Syrian People” group, the U.S. envoy to the United Nations said on Tuesday, as international envoy Kofi Annan called for the rapid deployment of 300 ceasefire monitors in the country.

    As many as 11 people have been killed by the gunfire of Syrian forces on Wednesday, Al Arabiya reported citing Syrian activists. At least 32 people were killed across the country on Tuesday, Al Arabiya reported.

    Speaking after U.N. Under-Secretary-General for Peacekeeping Herve Ladsous briefed the Security Council, U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice said Ladsous told the 15-nation panel that Damascus was putting restrictions on the deployment of truce monitors.

    “Mr. Ladsous reported that the Syrian government has refused at least one observer based on his nationality, and that Syrian authorities have stated they will not accept UNSMIS staff members from any nations that are members of the ‘Friends of Democratic Syria’,” Rice told reporters, according to *******.

    “He underscored that from the U.N.’s point of view, this is entirely unacceptable,” she said.

    The 14-nation “Friends” group includes the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar, all of which have said that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has lost his legitimacy because of his 13-month assault on pro-democracy protesters that has brought Syria to the brink of civil war.

    Rice also confirmed that Ladsous had told the council it would be another month before 100 of the maximum of 300 unarmed military observers who will comprise the U.N. monitoring mission reach Syria to help supervise the country's fragile 12-day-old ceasefire.

    She said council members considered the speed of the deployment too slow.
    http://english.alarabiya.net/article...25/210109.html

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