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    Sanctions bite in Syria as oil giant Shell pulls out

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    Royal Dutch Shell is first oil major to pull out under new EU sanctions; Army defectors kill 8 Air Force personnel in ambush; UN says over 300 children among 4,000 dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    I pointed at the difference because the nature and the length of the French engagement in this country were different than in the colonies where the French culture and language were infused more in-depth.
    But still this historical relation is a part of our modern history and I believe we should play a signaficative role to help the people of Syria get rid of the tyranny. it's important to do it to avoid Syria to become a zone of exclusive influence for Erdogan and his Islamic/Ottoman agenda.
    Agreed

    As a fan of old links and bonds myself, France should play a part in this Act, I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by IconOfEvi View Post
    Agreed

    As a fan of old links and bonds myself, France should play a part in this Act, I think
    it might be able to lead in the right direction

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    Syria opposition leader: We would drop Iran, Hezbollah ties

    Syrian National Council leader Burhan Ghalioun calls current Iran-Syria relationship 'abnormal'; says Assad has lost 'grasp on reality'.

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    Fresh clashes in Syria 'civil war'

    Hours of clashes across Syria killed at least four people today and wounded dozens more - including an 11-year-old girl who was struck by stray bullets that flew across the border into Lebanon, officials said.

    The most serious violence appeared to be in the town of Talkalakh, where witnesses reported more than six hours of explosions and gunfire.

    The town is within walking distance from Lebanon, and at least two people were struck by bullets on the Lebanese side.

    The girl and a 40-year-old man were taken to hospital after being struck by bullets fired from the Syrian town, Lebanese security officials said.

    Deadly violence also was reported in Homs and Idlib provinces. At least four people were killed, activists said.

    Syria is trying to crush an eight-month-old revolt challenging President Bashar Assad's autocratic rule, but the mounting death toll has led to broad condemnation. There also have been growing concerns that violence could lead to a wider regional conflagration.

    The UN's top human rights official said this week that Syria is in a state of civil war and more than 4,000 people have been killed since mid-March.
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    Diplomats: Hamas quietly scales back its presence in Syria

    Diplomats say dozens of operatives quietly returning to Gaza Strip in light of uncertain future of Assad regime.

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    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...syria-1.399504

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    So Mahmoud Abbas as the PLO did sign a statement of support for Assad. I did not expect this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    Syria opposition leader: We would drop Iran, Hezbollah ties

    Syrian National Council leader Burhan Ghalioun calls current Iran-Syria relationship 'abnormal'; says Assad has lost 'grasp on reality'.

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    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...-ties-1.399319
    The Syrian opposition is trying to get in a position to inflict the killing blow with this statement, I think.

    They could make a serious effort to reach out to Israel, but I dunno if they have the will to do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by IconOfEvi View Post
    The Syrian opposition is trying to get in a position to inflict the killing blow with this statement, I think.

    They could make a serious effort to reach out to Israel, but I dunno if they have the will to do that
    The old school Syrian opposition's leadership, the one that's been sitting in the West for many years, have previously made statements about establishing relations with Israel, a peace process etc'. however, i don't think that they have a lot of connection to the Syrians who are actualy participating in this popular revolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IconOfEvi View Post
    The Syrian opposition is trying to get in a position to inflict the killing blow with this statement, I think.

    They could make a serious effort to reach out to Israel, but I dunno if they have the will to do that
    Israel is still a big no, no for whole Syrian political specturm, opposition included (with both sides playing the evil juice card) but they surely are trying to get closer to Europe, Nothen America and sunni Arab states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeWolf View Post
    So Mahmoud Abbas as the PLO did sign a statement of support for Assad. I did not expect this.
    Surprising, isn't it?
    The context is very different, but it reminds a bit Arrafat's support to Saddam in 1991.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    Surprising, isn't it?
    The context is very different, but it reminds a bit Arrafat's support to Saddam in 1991.
    Probably it has more to do with him trying to not piss Hamas off too much (after he managed to negotiate an alliance with them) given that Syria is also one of the biggest financial donors of Hamas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalerab View Post
    Probably it has more to do with him trying to not piss Hamas off too much (after he managed to negotiate an alliance with them) given that Syria is also one of the biggest financial donors of Hamas.
    It doesn't seem to be the reason, because Hamas refused to sign the statenent of support to Assad that the PLO signed. Quote from the report:

    Tensions with Damascus rose further when Hamas opted not to sign a statement by nine other Palestinian groups, including President Mahmoud Abbas's Palestine Liberation Organization, in support of the Syrian leader.
    I think Hamas faces a dilemma: being the Palestinian branch of the MB, it got close to the Egyptian MB and should manage the paradoxal situation of their sponsor, Assad, fighting against the Syrian MB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalerab View Post
    Israel is still a big no, no for whole Syrian political specturm, opposition included (with both sides playing the evil juice card) but they surely are trying to get closer to Europe, Nothen America and sunni Arab states.
    I agree wholly with this, but it seems to me they are setting up the conditions slowly, so that if they DO have to ask for Israeli assistance, people are ready for it.

    Help from Israel is the great dark horse of all these Arab revolts. No one wants to be the first. Because that would mean everything they knew about Israel their whole life is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeWolf View Post
    So Mahmoud Abbas as the PLO did sign a statement of support for Assad. I did not expect this.
    It makes one wonder about the future of Abbas' future credibility among the Palestinian people (if there was any at the time being...). I'm suspecting that Assad is not too popular with them at this moment.

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