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    Quote Originally Posted by themacedonian View Post
    That is the Bosnian war solution. Cantons.

    As opposed to a minority opressing majority? In Syria, a lot of mynorities live in well defined areas. They can self govern. If it worked for Switzerland, it can work for Syria. Switzerland has 4 official languages by the way and several religions.

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    P.S. Where is the Peace Flotilla when you need it? How come nobody is running the Homs blockade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NPFF View Post
    As opposed to a minority opressing majority? In Syria, a lot of mynorities live in well defined areas. They can self govern. If it worked for Switzerland, it can work for Syria. Switzerland has 4 official languages by the way and several religions.
    Buddy we know what Switzerland is. It is an ideal solution for many many places. The problem is not if these people can live together or not.
    The problem is if the current situation in Syria is driven by external factors whose only plan is to take the state down to destruction.

    It started off as a anti leadership protests and now moving toward inter religious conflict. People do not wake up one morning and say we will have a war today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NPFF View Post
    P.S. Where is the Peace Flotilla when you need it? How come nobody is running the Homs blockade.
    By monday there might be a humanitarian convoy planned for Homs I speculate with Assad approval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themacedonian View Post
    Buddy we know what Switzerland is. It is an ideal solution for many many places. The problem is not if these people can live together or not.
    The problem is if the current situation in Syria is driven by external factors whose only plan is to take the state down to destruction.

    It started off as a anti leadership protests and now moving toward inter religious conflict. People do not wake up one morning and say we will have a war today.

    Syria is a country that was artificially created. Up to the late 1960s, it lacked stability and went through several putsches. For the last 40 years, unity was maintained by the iron grip of the Assad clan. There's no Syrian unity one should regret if after these events events this state is transforms in a confederation or even in few independent states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post

    Syria is a country that was artificially created. Up to the late 1960s, it lacked stability and went through several putsches. For the last 40 years, unity was maintained by the iron grip of the Assad clan. There's no Syrian unity one should regret if after these events events this state is transforms in a confederation or even in few independent states.
    And takes other artificially created state with it - Iraq.

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    Aren't all Arab states (except for those on the Arab Peninsula) more or less artificially created by their former colonial overlords?

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    Same can be said about most of Arab states, yet after 60s and 70s idea of Nasser pan-Arabism lot of these countries are now building strong nationalism. Jordan with its King Abdullah II "Jordan first" policy, in Libya although there were and are regional and ethnic problems main slogan was "Libya is one tribe", in Lebanon be it Hariri or Nasrallah call for stronger Lebanon (not as during civil war when every sect had from time to time idea of establishing their own state). And even in old Syrian flag that is now used by opposition three stars represent Aleppo, Damascus and Deir ez-Zor areas which formed first Syria - all of the more or less mixed areas by all sects. There are no defined borders, for example if Alawites wanted to established their coastal state from Alawite mountains to coast what would happen to Lattakia where sunnis are in majority? And what would be survivability of coastal Alawite state without commercial hub of Aleppo and Damascus? What would economy of sunni state look like without ports etc. It´s impossible in current situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Post-purge-Paya View Post
    Aren't all Arab states (except for those on the Arab Peninsula) more or less artificially created by their former colonial overlords?
    Of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalerab View Post
    Same can be said about most of Arab states, yet after 60s and 70s idea of Nasser pan-Arabism lot of these countries are now building strong nationalism. Jordan with its King Abdullah II "Jordan first" policy, in Libya although there were and are regional and ethnic problems main slogan was "Libya is one tribe", in Lebanon be it Hariri or Nasrallah call for stronger Lebanon (not as during civil war when every sect had from time to time idea of establishing their own state). And even in old Syrian flag that is now used by opposition three stars represent Aleppo, Damascus and Deir ez-Zor areas which formed first Syria - all of the more or less mixed areas by all sects. There are no defined borders, for example if Alawites wanted to established their coastal state from Alawite mountains to coast what would happen to Lattakia where sunnis are in majority? And what would be survivability of coastal Alawite state without commercial hub of Aleppo and Damascus? What would economy of sunni state look like without ports etc. It´s impossible in current situation.
    That's why if Assad is not evicted soon, the resurrection may transform itself in a second stage in a civil/ethnic war.

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    Forgive my ignorance, but could you define an "artificially created state"

    I have a brain numbing feeling alot of countries would fall into this category with the current definition i am thinking of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by memfisa View Post
    Forgive my ignorance, but could you define an "artificially created state"

    I have a brain numbing feeling alot of countries would fall into this category with the current definition i am thinking of.
    Of course countries in other regions of the world were born artificially with borders drawn by the colonial powers.
    In this case, these countries were a part of the Ottoman empire. Their population didn't have an authentic national identity that united them. The countries were created and their borders drawn for reasons that were completely irrelevant to a process of nation building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalerab View Post
    Same can be said about most of Arab states, yet after 60s and 70s idea of Nasser pan-Arabism lot of these countries are now building strong nationalism.
    I always had the impression that pan-Islamism succeeded pan-Arabism as the dominant ideology in the Arab World, government projects notwithstanding.

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    Yeah, it could be a double edges sword.

    When this pan.ism sorted out of its confusions in the future, or after the cleanse of shiit it could be a might anti-west axis too. In this sense keeping Syria alive in a proper way may be of some significance. Let's expect a careful makeup from the meeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leloup46 View Post
    Photographer’s Video From Homs Shows Urban Warfare in Vivid Detail


    Updated | 4:49 p.m. Using footage recorded by a French photographer who was in Homs this month, Britain’s Channel 4 News has produced a remarkable portrait of urban warfare in the Syrian city, between government forces and the lightly armed fighters of the Free Syrian Army

    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...er=rss&emc=rss
    Thx for posting this, impressive footage.
    The bravery and determination of those Free Syrian Rebels is near crazy, its frightening to see them fight without any fear of death.

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