Protests in Syria - Discussion Thread

[gresh]

you asked the question - how can it be.

Okay, I know how it "can be". I'm just saying I think it's wrong either way. Russia, NATO nations..doesn't make a difference to me. I think everyone with a little common sense would know none of those nations I listed earlier have the Syrian people's best interests at heart when it comes to sending "monitors". Even a lot of the Arab League monitors probably didn't. I doubt anybody can get a visa for Syria and be able to monitor anything without being watched like a hawk by his security forces.

[Camera]

Erdogan: Turkey will take 'steps' if Syria disregards ceasefire deadline

Turkish PM does not specify what measures Turkey could take; Ankara has in the past floated the idea of creating a buffer zone inside Syria.


By The Associated Press and DPA

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...dline-1.423148

[themacedonian]

Erdogan: Turkey will take 'steps' if Syria disregards ceasefire deadline

Turkish PM does not specify what measures Turkey could take; Ankara has in the past floated the idea of creating a buffer zone inside Syria.


By The Associated Press and DPA

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...dline-1.423148

Yes I do think the coming weeks would be interesting.

[MUSHROOM123]

Erdogan: Turkey will take 'steps' if Syria disregards ceasefire deadline

Turkish PM does not specify what measures Turkey could take; Ankara has in the past floated the idea of creating a buffer zone inside Syria.


By The Associated Press and DPA

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...dline-1.423148

The Turks talk for some time about using force..

[Svetovid]

Turkey do not send terrorists to die for you, as you do now from your camps. You go just to leave space for PKK.
Come on Turkey, be brave.

[MUSHROOM123]

You would like Assad to remain in power?

[IconOfEvi]

You reminded me gresh...that smile of his....oh how I hate it

When he says he's just killing terrorists, and fighting for peace...that nasty smile always tells you whats going on

[geolocator]

The Turks talk for some time about using force..

Yes, but they understand that it's very tricky. Nothing new, they already were saying it for months. Currently, there's the Aplril 10th milestone in the political struggle. Of cause, it's for Assad only, opposition should go on, as no one of them expessed any committment for ceasefire and they are not being urged by the countries who are eager for the term. By the Anann plan the ceasefire should be from both sides and the term for opposition too. I'm sure that Assad will not withraw troops from key resistance points like Homs. This means that they will be seized by armed rebels and nothing more.

[Flamming_Python]

Firstly, I'm not worked up about anything. Second, that's just my opinion on who Assad would probably deem "acceptable" as monitor nations. I wouldn't rely on a Foreign Affairs article for my information, either. They've written a lot of em..questionable articles in the past.

What bothers me is that the UN would even be considering accepting those terms. How are nations that are still supporting Syria and bypassing international sanctions and sending them weapons going to "monitor" what's going on the ground objectively? It was bad enough for the Arab League, they were stalked and harassed by the Syrian government and witnesses were intimidated before their arrival in certain places. Assad's a smart guy and he's not going to let in any monitors from nations that oppose his rule. He can just play the "Western interference" card. I don't know if you've ever listened to the guy talk for any length of time, but he's pretty much the master of spin and has an excuse for everything. When asked about his neighbors isolating Syria he just smirks and says "no one can isolate Syria" or "if Syria is weak, you'll allllll suffer".This is the guy who says the United Nations is "useless" and when asked why he sends representatives he just smirks again and says "cause we have to play the game, you see".

BTW, this is not some US-Russia tit-for-tat game. I have no problem with Russia in general, just their foreign policy when it comes to Syria. If it were any other nation, I'd think they were just as horrible for supporting a regime that slaughters it's own. You can go ahead with the "but..but..US supports the Saudi's..blah blah", but it's the same deal. I think that's awful, too. I care more about humanity more than I care about standing behind my home country's policy decisions. I don't like how human beings tend to clique up and ignore the horrible things their own do to show solidarity. That's not me, man.

Listen man, we're not all monsters as you think. Because for me it's very simple; America gets its way, and Syria will be bombed for dozens of days, plunge into civil war and end up fracturing into pieces. This will result in untold bloodshed and destruction. And unlike the cases of Yugoslavia 1999 or Iraq 1991; there is no minority people to stand up for, that are getting hard done. I'm sure you can appreciate how IMO Assad is simply the lesser of two evils here for his own people and for Russia too.

[themacedonian]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-7626987.html

It is all about the title! Assad will kill million people.

BTW why would these people be buried in this way?

[MUSHROOM123]

Someone really thougt that the Annan plan will work?

[themacedonian]

Someone really thougt that the Annan plan will work?

Depends on what the intentions of the plan are?

[themacedonian]

The surge in bloodshed prompted harsh words from Mr Annan who said the escalation was "unacceptable" while France also denounced as "unacceptable" Syria's demand for guarantees.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...#ixzz1rUOMFj5b


Mr Sarkozy why is it unacceptable to ask insurgents to stop shooting?? Is France a representative for the rebels?

[MUSHROOM123]

Depends on what the intentions of the plan are?

To stop the fighting...

[gresh]

Listen man, we're not all monsters as you think. Because for me it's very simple; America gets its way, and Syria will be bombed for dozens of days, plunge into civil war and end up fracturing into pieces. This will result in untold bloodshed and destruction. And unlike the cases of Yugoslavia 1999 or Iraq 1991; there is no minority people to stand up for, that are getting hard done. I'm sure you can appreciate how IMO Assad is simply the lesser of two evils here for his own people and for Russia too.

Where in there did I ever say Russian's were monsters? Two of my oldest friend's from elementary school are Russian. There's a huge Russian community in Sacramento and they even offer the drivers test in Russian, so get out of here with that nonsense.

Like I said before, this isn't some tit-for-tat game. It seems like any time somebody mentions something deplorable that Russia does, it's always "but..but..America did this..". Go ahead and go down the list of dictators supported by the US, that doesn't mean I support my nations actions. This isn't a d1ck measuring contest, I genuinely care about human beings despite race,nation, creed, whatever.

Assad may be the "lesser of two evils" for Russia, but he really isn't for the Syrian people. We wouldn't be seeing what's going on right now if everybody really thought he's the best leader for Syria. His neighbors wouldn't all be telling him to get lost.