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    Once again a car bomb goes off in Damascus and once again the good "opposition" blames the government. First it is a shell then a car bomb.

    If many months ago the opposition was held accountable to their terrorist methods things like this would not happen.

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    This is now a full scale civil war. This is going to get so much worse that we have not even seen yet. The downing of the Turkish warplane was a clear message....stay out, we are putting a end to this. Again, I think we are going to see a much more brutal and aggressive operational tempo by the Syrian army. I would not be surprised to start seeing fixed wing fast movers hitting targets with 1,000 pound bombs at night. The Syrian army is now launching its largest and most aggressive operation to end this. OR a least try.

    I really see this becoming one of the most brutal conflicts in the middle east EVER. It will make the Yugoslavian civil war look like a cup cake. We are now at 100 to 200 a day being killed with that to go much higher. This will be like Lebanon but 10 times worse. This may very well spin so far out of control that it evolves other states in open warfare. I just dont see how this can end any other way. The vengeance Gennie as been let out of the bottle and only death will quench its thirst for both sides. Just a real human disaster that only happens a few times a century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec View Post
    I don't think Syrian civil war counts as religious one. It's more about those who have benefited from Assad's dictatorship against those who have been oppressed by it. The division just happens to be by different sects of Islam (Sunni majority under Alawite dictatorship with Shia, Christians etc falling in between).
    I hope you don't expect each side to carry Crusader-style relics in a battle order to mark this conflict as religious.

    You may paint as "oppressed by dictatorship" any religious war : Croats/Bosnians were oppressed by dictator Milosevic , yet they attacked Serbs without checking their loyalty to dictator. Iraqi Shia and Kurds were oppressed by Saddam, however all Sunnis living in mixed neighborhoods were targeted .

    The same goes for Syria : Bashar is a dictator, but once overthrown all religious minorities will be in danger. Believe me, FSA fighters aren't gonna check each Alawite tax declaration to find out if he got some benefits from Assad regime or not.

    In fact many Alawis are much poorer then Sunnis , but you won't see them joining riots against Assad .

    Christians and non-Alawi Shia are targeted in the cities under Sunni control in nearly same manner as rioting Sunnis under control of Alawis :

    This March, months before the Qusayr ultimatum, Islamist militants from the opposition’s Faruq Brigade had gone door to door in Hamidiya and Bustan al-Diwan neighborhoods of Homs, expelling local Christians. Following the raids, some 90 percent of Christians reportedly fled the city for government-controlled areas, neighboring countries or a stretch of land near the Lebanese border called the Valley of Christians (Wadi al-Nasarah). Of the more than 80,000 Christians who lived in Homs prior to the uprising, approximately 400 remain today. more

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    A rocket fired from Lebanon wounded two Syrian border police on Monday, Lebanon's General Security agency said.
    “On Monday at dawn, gunmen fired a rocket from Buqaya, in Lebanese territory, towards Syria, hitting a Syrian immigration post and wounding two border police,” a statement from the agency’s general directorate said.

    It is the first time the agency has reported firing from Lebanon into Syrian territory.


    Buqaya is located in the Akkar district, 185 kilometers (115 miles) north of Beirut.

    “The Syrians pursued the gunmen and, during the pursuit, a Lebanese General Security post was hit,” the statement added.

    “A Syrian unit arrived at the Lebanese post and apprehended two members of General Security, taking them into Syrian territory before releasing them.”

    The men who fired the rocket managed to escape, a General Security spokesman told AFP on condition of anonymity.

    No Lebanese personnel were wounded, the spokesman added.



    A local official said: “Armed men, riding a motorcycle, shot a rocket towards the Syrian village of Mcherfe at 3:00 am (0000 GMT).”
    http://english.alarabiya.net/article...02/223983.html

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    I read on the Dutch news 85 Syrian soldiers deserted to Turkey, among with 293 refugees. A general is among them. The crossed the border into Turkey over here:

    https://maps.google.nl/maps?q=Reyhan...rkije&t=m&z=13

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeWolf View Post
    I read on the Dutch news 85 Syrian soldiers deserted to Turkey, among with 293 refugees. A general is among them. The crossed the border into Turkey over here:

    https://maps.google.nl/maps?q=Reyhan...rkije&t=m&z=13
    This one is a general of an artillery division. In this rate of detections, Assad will be left soon only with Colonnels to fight his war.

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    Syria's Assad issues 'counter-terror' laws: SANADamascus issues tough new laws against 'terrorism' offences in attempt to crackdown on anti-regime activities

    Syrian President Bashar al-Assad issued three new "counter-terrorism" laws on Monday, the official SANA news agency said, nearly 16 months into a deadly crackdown on an uprising against his rule."Those who create or direct terrorist groups may be sentenced with 10 to 20 years of hard labour, but the punishment may be more severe if the goal is to change the regime or the structure of the state," said the text of the laws passed on Thursday.


    "If these (terrorist) acts result in death or disability for the victims, the death sentence may be imposed," it added.


    Moreover, "the financing of terrorism, including any action to collect and directly or indirectly provide money, weapons, ammunition, explosives, communication equipment or intelligence to aid acts of terrorism are punishable by 15 to 20 years in prison."


    The lowest penalty is five years in prison for acts that do not result in loss of life or property.


    Another law says state employees convicted of "any act of terrorism -- whether he is directly engaged, an accessory to the crime, or providing material or moral support to terrorist groups in any way -- will be fired," SANA said.


    This law also applies to former government employees, who risk losing their pensions if convicted.
    http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCont...laws-SANA.aspx

    What a fvcking joke.

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    are you simon ostrovsky

    cuz u look a lot like him

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    Default Fights break out at Syrian opposition meeting in Cairo

    Fights break out at Syrian opposition meeting in Cairo

    CAIRO: A meeting of Syria's splintered opposition in Cairo on Tuesday descended into scuffles and fistfights that will dishearten Western leaders calling for unity against Bashar al-Assad.

    A Syrian Kurdish group quit the meeting, sparking mayhem and cries of "scandal, scandal" from some delegates. Women wept as men traded blows, and staff of the hotel used for the meeting hurriedly removed tables and chairs as the scuffles spread.

    "The Kurds withdrew because the conference rejected an item that says the Kurdish people must be recognised," said Abdel Aziz Othman of the National Kurdish Council. "This is unfair and we will no longer accept to be marginalised."

    Sixteen months into an uprising against Assad, the failure to rally Syria's disparate religious and ethnic groups behind a united leadership will make it more difficult to secure international recognition.

    "This is so sad. It will have a bad implications for all parties. It will make the Syrian opposition look bad and demoralise the protesters on the ground," said an opposition activist, 27-year-old Gawad al-Khatib.

    Assad has clung on far longer than other Arab leaders who faced popular uprisings, in part due to his willingness to use overwhelming force but also because of divisions among his population, the opposition and the international community.

    Russia, Syria's longtime ally, opposes U.N. action proposed by Western powers. The United States and European powers have themselves shown no appetite for military intervention of the kind they used in Libya.

    A diplomat from the meeting's host, the Arab League, said the often "chaotic" opposition had made progress by agreeing on documents outlining principles to shape a new constitution and guide any transition.
    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Mid...#axzz1zca4FrOO

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    I for one am proud with the Kurds. Beside all the BS we have heard the Kurds are not getting their fair deal.

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    Good good, now the minorities can start the real war, and carve their own parts out of Syria.

    If Assad had any brains, he'd flee to the Alawi region as fast as he could, or at least move command & control there.

    Then again, even his own clan does not trust him. In the end, he's like Saddam, and his father before him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themacedonian View Post
    I for one am proud with the Kurds. Beside all the BS we have heard the Kurds are not getting their fair deal.
    I simply cannot believe how stupid one can be. They are not even in power, morever their (SNC and other expat opposition groups) have minimal influecen over events on the grounds while KNC has much of power in regions like Qamishli, plus connections with Iraqi Kurdistan and they chase them out because Kurds demand nothing else but to be recognized as Kurdish people, instead of Syrian people of Kurdish origin? One would think that with problems such as this they are already making picnic in Damascus presidential palace while Assad and his cronies are taking a nap six feets under.

    IDK why EU, USA or GCC are even wasting time talking to them and giving them light of some legitimacy. Direct approach is always the best, they should make contact with LCC and other influential civilian opposition groups in Syria (I guess they already have their share of contacts in armed wing) instead of these clowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machiavelli View Post
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    are you simon ostrovsky

    cuz u look a lot like him
    I admit he looks like me, but he's not me.

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    The Cairo conference is a demonstration what will happen in Syria after Assad. The only way (IMO) to somehow solve it without a global mess is to pick the most liberal part of opposition which can somehow talk with Assad and curb the rest, including FSA and islamic radicals. Some peoples like Michel Kilo could allow a soft transition with Assad participation and Ba'ath as a temporary political backbone.in the game for a while. All attempts to unite all the oppositon will fail.

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    lol,. for once I agree with Geolocator......this mess is a dirty mess

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