Protests in Syria - Discussion Thread

[Climber]

Actually, I should have quoted Hentai Boy instead of you, my bad.

Though if afghans really hated them, the life of the troops on the ground would be more difficult.
As for Iranians, apparently outside harcore Ayatollah supporters, the average iranian seems to be pretty indifferent about the US, according to people who have been there.

But it is true, we barely know whats going on right now as it is.


Indeed, but I think one thing is certain, the bloodshed won't stop with Assad gone and his most dangerous weapons will likely end in the wrong hands.

My position here is well known, there are not a good side here, they are all bad, and I, being a "bad person", totally thinking in my people and not a naive bleeding hearth, I'd prefer Assad and the status quo, than the AQ and KSA SOB's in charge

[KoTeMoRe]

well Im half Irish and half Turkish and Im catholic so your nip at me was completely pointless..

Not when you let your Turkish side yap for us to see. Some folks are always quick on the halves.

[PDT89]

Not when you let your Turkish side yap for us to see. Some folks are always quick on the halves.

i don't have sides i am one person....who based my judgement on the fact that Assad could have called in the UN to help right at the start instead he chose shelling civilian populated areas..

Simple instead of sitting back like a cowardly armchair warrior waiting for a winner for him to side with, i chose to support the side that was just less morally wrong than the other, they still made bad choices, just not as many nor as severe as Assad..

PS i should warn you in future don't tell an Irish person they don't know what its like to be oppressed.

[Climber]

i don't have sides i am one person....who based my judgement on the fact that Assad could have called in the UN to help right at the start instead he chose shelling civilian populated areas..

Simple instead of sitting back like a cowardly armchair warrior waiting for a winner for him to side with, i chose to support the side that was just less morally wrong than the other, they still made bad choices, just not as many nor as severe as Assad..

PS i should warn you in future don't tell an Irish person they don't know what its like to be oppressed.

Less moraly wrong? whats your scale?

PS, He can also say 1 or 2 things about that....you are not alone in the lot.

[PDT89]

Less moraly wrong? whats your scale?

PS, He can also say 1 or 2 things about that....you are not alone in the lot.

Well rebellion isnt always the way, if there was no uprising, maybe the UN might have stepped in, its the fact that Turkey and the West support the uprising, thats why Russia and China veto everything.

In one way they asked to be shelled, in a tyrants eyes they did anyway..

But Assads regime still crossed the line when retaliating...They could haveasked for Russian UN Peacekeepers at the least

[KoTeMoRe]

i don't have sides i am one person....who based my judgement on the fact that Assad could have called in the UN to help right at the start instead he chose shelling civilian populated areas..

Simple instead of sitting back like a cowardly armchair warrior waiting for a winner for him to side with, i chose to support the side that was just less morally wrong than the other, they still made bad choices, just not as many nor as severe as Assad..

PS i should warn you in future don't tell an Irish person they don't know what its like to be oppressed.

I think your argument is greatly impaired by your attempted authoritative rescue. Not less so when talking about things you basically ignore.

How old are you really to have been ...oppressed. As for waiting cowardly for a winner, I gather you have no notion about civil wars. Just less morally wrong than the other? Ok easier now, how do you know who is and was *morally wronger*?

I would gladly direct you to any other Balkan thread (notably the latest one produced by INAT here on stereotypes) that might help you tone down that general wide brushing Irishmen have had it harder, because obviously that does not compute with your Turkish half given for a Turk to spend its life in Ireland, the conditions should have been far prettier than in Turkiye.

[Climber]

Well rebellion isnt always the way, if there was no uprising, maybe the UN might have stepped in, its the fact that Turkey and the West support the uprising, thats why Russia and China veto everything.

In one way they asked to be shelled, in a tyrants eyes they did anyway..

But Assads regime still crossed the line when retaliating...They could haveasked for Russian UN Peacekeepers at the least

You might have confusing rebellion with terrorism. At first, maybe it was rebellion, now that rebellion have been ¿coopted? by terrorists. and nothing good will come from this. And about less or moral wrong, lets get the moral out of the discussion because morals have nothing to do with this.

Assad is a ****ing SOB, I know,the others are also ****ing SOB's......they are equally evil.

[PDT89]

You might have confusing rebellion with terrorism. At first, maybe it was rebellion, now that rebellion have been ¿coopted? by terrorists. and nothing good will come from this. And about less or moral wrong, lets get the moral out of the discussion because morals have nothing to do with this.

Assad is a ****ing SOB, I know,the others are also ****ing SOB's......they are equally evil.

My point exactly, everyone knows rebellions usually stem into terrorism, the guys starting the rebellion knew this, their not exactly innocent like some people claim, And as you call Assad an SOB, agree with you there too.

Look at the IRA, off as a rebellion, stemmed into terrorism, same **** different people.

Nothing good is gonna come out of this just like Libya.

[PDT89]

I think your argument is greatly impaired by your attempted authoritative rescue. Not less so when talking about things you basically ignore.

How old are you really to have been ...oppressed. As for waiting cowardly for a winner, I gather you have no notion about civil wars. Just less morally wrong than the other? Ok easier now, how do you know who is and was *morally wronger*?

I would gladly direct you to any other Balkan thread (notably the latest one produced by INAT here on stereotypes) that might help you tone down that general wide brushing Irishmen have had it harder, because obviously that does not compute with your Turkish half given for a Turk to spend its life in Ireland, the conditions should have been far prettier than in Turkiye.

Old enough to see sorrow from losses in my family d1ckhead, where exactly did i say Irish had it harder ? we didnt... what the **** do I care about the Balkans thread, a bunch of Serbs and Albanians butthurt because they cleansed eachothers villages.

Well you might think I had better life in Ireland and Im pretty sure I did. Whats your point exactly ?
About the morals I answered above.

[Laworkerbee]

Ok so first do the Libyans love russia ? Is there any demonstration of love visit or of lavrov in Libya ?
Why the russian weapons that Saudi arabia ordered are not delivered (t-90)
Are you seeing GCC countries trying to increase trade with russia
Finally have you seen any warm relation between russia and arab countries exept russia and algeria in the past six month ?
This is without talking about resentment from the rank and file in the street.

If the rank and file on the street had a clue they would realize the importance of Russia's and China's stance at the UN security council. They are all that stands between the West reshaping the world as they see fit in the name of corporate profits - If you think the West is currently acting out of concern for human rights in the Arab world then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

George Bush had noble intentions with Iraq even though those ideas were extremely naive.

[Climber]

My point exactly, everyone knows rebellions usually stem into terrorism, the guys starting the rebellion knew this, their not exactly innocent like some people claim, And as you call Assad an SOB, agree with you there too.

Look at the IRA, off as a rebellion, stemmed into terrorism, same **** different people.

Nothing good is gonna come out of this just like Libya.

No, rebellions do not usually stern to terrorism. There are a lot of examples in history. The fact is that there is no good side, and people claiming that either side have a moral high ground, are pissing out of the can.

[yves]

To you're first point i disagree because the rank and file ppl are enduring and seeing live the masscre we see on tv and can make their own opinion without watching any tv
To you're second one i agree that changing the regime in irak has noble intention and his end is somewhat a cause of the arab spring.

[TheCanadian]

soo since they lost control of the turkish border crossing dies this mean they (fsa) can now receive heavy weapons from turkey

[kurdman]

So far five Kurdish cities have been freed.

According to this news site (unknown to me) and some other local Kurdish agencies, so far 650 Kurdish soldiers have entered Syria from Iraqi Kurdistan (Can not be confirmed other than they saying "our source"), and a further 4500 soldiers are ready on the border. According to the same source, 50 officers are also ready to enter on the border to oversee the military wing of Syrian Kurdistan.

http://www.kikannews.com/2012/07/blog-post_6526.html (Only English source I can find)

[kalerab]

soo since they lost control of the turkish border crossing dies this mean they (fsa) can now receive heavy weapons from turkey

If the Turks will allow it. In Libya, when rebels captured border crossing with Tunisia they used it as logistical lifeline and Tunisian army looked the other way.