Thanks for the answer!Originally Posted by kalerab
No just trolling a little bit, I am awake for more than 40hours ... so not sure what I am writing right now.
Best option now would be for the FSA to slip back into the countryside, which Assads troops have withdrawn from in recent days for these ops in Aleppo/Damas. Start causing havoc there, and when Assad's troops show up go back to the cities. Assad has too little reliable troops (~70,000) to effectively control the country.
And I suspect this is what will happen eventually.
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Kadhaffi was faster at adopting new tactics, most Syrian cities look like tank graveyards, people here claimed that the rebels were nothing without the NATO, I beg to differ, The battle of Benghasi was eventually never initiated, and Misurata held out for quite a lot of time without any help from the outside. As for the Homs argument, well, the Syrian army didn't use all its heavy weapons from the start, back then they were still concerned about their international image and the amount of damage a full scale attack would bring to a important Syrian city.
If they manage to surround Aleppo I give the Rebels little chance of winning the Battle. A victory of the Syrian army would be a important turningpoint in this bloody conflict, if they play this right they will be able to crush an important part of the Syrian Rebel groups
Or when they get the high ground, rebels will retreat. They´ve done it in Damascus and they have stronger foothold here. However I am more inclined to believe that rebels will not win and will be eventually forced out, however brining war to two most important cities in the country is an impressive show of strength. No one thought that possible month ago.
Anyway, this is interesting. It seems that Kurds are active in Aleppo as well
Kurdish forces kill six Syrian soldiers in Aleppo
http://www.aknews.com/en/aknews/3/318894/ERBIL, July 27 (AKnews)- In retaliation for an attack on Kurds, Kurdish forces in Aleppo attacked a military checkpoint and killed six soldiers today, Firat news agency (ANF) said.
The Units of Protecting People (YPG) assaulted Sakan Shabab checkpoint in Alshiqa district, between Sheikh Maqsud and Al-Ashrafiya, and controlled the entire checkpoint.
The YPG forces also attacked another checkpoint in Shqayf and killed six soldiers of the Syrian regime.
An YPG official told ANF that the attack was in retaliation for killing three Kurds and wounding 11 more in Aleppo.
He added should the Syrian regime continue killing Kurds, YPG will also continue its operations against the regime.
On July 26 afternoon, a delegation of YPG, intended to take foodstuff to the destitute Kurds in Ashrafiya and Sheikh Maqsud and try to reach Tariq Matar (literally airport road) where the government issued the foodstuff.
Before reaching the spot, the delegation was attacked by a Syrian helicopter.
Thats just it, is 10,000 soldiers enough to root out and crush 4,000 rebels who have dug themselves in? With enough artillery and bombardment from air, sure. Can they really surround a town of 2 million people with just 10K soldiers? If the rebels have enough anti tank weapons and the army continues to be stupid, then this can turn out pretty disastrous for the regime. I think that the rebels will disperse after a few days of fighting, although I have no idea how well supplied they are or what weapons they have.
The 10K is in and around Aleppo, including the countryside. The 4K rebels I think is in Aleppo alone. Wonder how many they have in the surrounding area who can maybe attack the assaulting troops from behind and harass the supply lines.
Its going to be an interesting week, won't be easy for either side.
So a Syrian helicopter attacks a group on the ground and the Kurds go apeshit and start attacking Syrian checkpoints in retaliation. Nobody bothers to protest or inquire if the Kurds were directly targeted, no, instead the Kurds retaliate with "Kurdish Forces" What ever the fuck that is supposed to mean. Sounds to me like wordplay to make an insurgent\terrorist group seem like a proper outfit? Except legitimate forces just don't go and seek retaliation on their own, they are ordered to do so by a legal or political authority.ERBIL, July 27 (AKnews)- In retaliation for an attack on Kurds, Kurdish forces in Aleppo attacked a military checkpoint and killed six soldiers today, Firat news agency (ANF) said.
The Units of Protecting People (YPG) assaulted Sakan Shabab checkpoint in Alshiqa district, between Sheikh Maqsud and Al-Ashrafiya, and controlled the entire checkpoint.
The YPG forces also attacked another checkpoint in Shqayf and killed six soldiers of the Syrian regime.
An YPG official told ANF that the attack was in retaliation for killing three Kurds and wounding 11 more in Aleppo.
He added should the Syrian regime continue killing Kurds, YPG will also continue its operations against the regime.
On July 26 afternoon, a delegation of YPG, intended to take foodstuff to the destitute Kurds in Ashrafiya and Sheikh Maqsud and try to reach Tariq Matar (literally airport road) where the government issued the foodstuff.
Before reaching the spot, the delegation was attacked by a Syrian helicopter.
So now basically these idiots have opened the door to Kurds being hunted just like Haji - Nobody can't say they didn't bring it on themselves.
I don't think the rebels can hold Aleppo long term either, but I think for them it makes strategic sense right now for to dig in and hold on as long as possible. Then again many here disagreed with me when I said the rebels should melt away from Damascus after only a couple of days.
The city and surrounding region popularly supports them unlike with the capital, and they can still escape and resupply at will from the surrounding hinterland. It's rather Assad's forces that are becoming isolated agents in the region, the longer the Syrian army masses troops there then the bigger the problems with their supply lines become. The battle for Aleppo is strategically more important than the one for Damascus, though obviously the capital was more important symbolically. The government loss of Aleppo would eventually result in the loss of contested northern Syria (Hama, Homs, Idlib etc)...but as I've said I don't think the rebels can realistically hold off a determinded army counter-attack right now.
Strategically, I think the best move for the rebels would be to dig in and try to turn Aleppo into a slow meat-grinder. Turning the battle for Aleppo into a slow fight that takes days and possibly weeks will again tie up large numbers of Syrian army forces in vulnerable positions. Destroying a guerilla force in a city the size of Aleppo (it's larger than Damascus) remotely using artillery and air support is going to be nearly impossible. The Syrian army has had no choice but to deploy large numbers of troops and prepare to do some high intensity UO.
An ongoing "fight for the Alamo" in Aleppo in the media will damage the Syrian army's prestige like the recent Damascus infiltration did, assuming of course the opposition do manage to hold off the army. Most importantly it will allow other fighters to capitalise on government weakness after the security force withdrawals from large areas of the country. I read an interesting book recently about the Nicaragua and I'm seeing a lot of parallels with the FSLN campaign against Somoza's National Guard in 1979. Infiltration of the major cities resulting in counter-offensives that tie up large numbers of security forces in costly fights while the broader swathe of the country slowly falls out of government control. Though of course Syria has many features (much stronger
Last edited by Genotype; 07-27-2012 at 06:07 PM.
Hahaha! Like Assad is just going to let them do their own thing once he has defeated everybody else.
I'm not sure how or why you got that from my post? The Syrian government, like any other government on this planet, will secure its own borders and crush any independence movement, just like ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT.
Czechoslovakia shows this isn't always the case.
Anyway: The rebels probably can't hold Aleppo, if the Syrian army changes this battle into a conventional fight by sheer scale of the forces involved. However I have feeling this isn't the goal of the rebels. By making Syrian Army fight Aleppo it makes it possible to draw out forces from other regions where rebels already have strong presence-remember, 2-3 weeks ago people were talking about counter-offensive in Aleppo province. If bases and military facilities are understaffed than rebels can overrun them and pillage more weapons, equipment and gain positions.
So probably they are counting on a week or two battle in Aleppo to weaken Assad's loyal forces, while trying to get a safe heaven secured in other areas.
Additionally if Assad will destroy large parts of Aleppo it will turn the rest of population against him, and many more in the regime will start to see him as incompetent.
One area that interests me is Rakka-lots of protests there but yet no fighting. Might bethe next target.
So what have they brought upon themselves with this then?
Its more the other way around, they try to show the government forces to better not fvck with the Kurds.
Am I the only one seeing this? That this group has opened the Kurds up to retaliation for their actions? Applaud it all you want, I think the move was short sighted and stupid, just like almost everything else in the Middle East.
anf&firat news news source of pkk,you people can be sure even Debka trustful source if we compare with firatnews.
1.Kill cops or soldiers of a government to show that they better not **** with you.
2. ???
3. profit
No, not really. I read Arab sources, what was it...week ago or so, which said how YPG and FSA were providing security to Kurdish protest in Aleppo. I believe that was in Salahedin district.
They´ve done it already by taking control of 6 cities and talking about how they are gonna roll into Qamishli. I don´t think this worsened Kurdish position significantly.
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