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    Only 40 protesters ... lol Samaha seems to have been sacrified by march 8 also jumblatt seems to have left the sinking ship ...
    Jumblat Meets Rifi, Hassan: Army, People, Resistance Slogan Can No Longer Persist at State’s Expense


    http://m.naharnet.com/stories/en/497...tate-s-expense

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    Over the past 10 months, a Syrian opposition official told The Sunday Times, the CIA has blocked shipments of heavy anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons, which rebel units of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) have long described as vital to their efforts to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

    At the same time, they have approved supplies of AK-47 Kalashnikov rifles, and just over a month ago they gave the green light to a shipment of 10,000 Russian-made rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs).
    The weapons are either bought on the black market in Istanbul or supplied by the rebels' allies in Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. "Qatar sends money and usually says, 'go and buy what you want'," the official said. "The Turks just give the weapons free of charge, especially light anti-tank weapons."

    Yet rebel frustration is mounting at the CIA's reluctance to allow heavy weaponry across the border, for fear that it may eventually be used against America's allies.
    Senior SNC members said Britain was supplying neither money nor arms to the FSA. "The Brits are at the end of the line, we ask them for money and military assistance, they tell us to submit projects as if we were talking about business plans," said one frustrated official.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226448561253

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    That may change in next few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalerab View Post
    That may change in next few days.

    They are going to free Viktor Bout ? Great leadership by example.

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    Too complicated. One call to Nicolas Cage will sort things out.

    But Hillary is meeting in Turkey several FSA commanders from inside. After Aleppo, Damascus and Deir ez-Zor it seems that US will still not send weapons, but will close eyes to supplements of ATGMs and MANPADs from several countries such as Libya.

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    Anger, tears, and forgiveness as Syrian rebel and his prisoner share their fears

    As evidence mounts of abuse and summary execution of prisoners , The Observer witnesses an extraordinary meeting between a Sunni rebel leader and his Alawite captive in al-Bab, near Aleppo

    First Lieutenant Darid Barakat sat on a foam mattress on the floor of a schoolhouse, men he once commanded alongside him, and his captors standing in a murky corridor outside.

    There were 30 or so men held in the room – in what passes for a prisoner of war facility in a rebel-controlled part of Syria. Barakat and two others, both officers like him, were members of the Alawite sect. Another officer was a Shia, and the rest were all soldiers – and Sunnis – like the rebels now holding them.

    The prisoners had been there since late July, not long after a plan by the Free Syrian Army to bring its uprising to the heart of the country's second city, Aleppo, was put into action by the rebel force in the city of al-Bab. Until that point, the local guerrillas had not fired a shot in 18 months of uprising.

    Barakat and some others had worked at the military security office in the heart of al-Bab, 30km north-east of Aleppo. With him in the makeshift jail were captives from the nearby political security building and from all other corners of the regime's extensive police state.

    The battle to take al-Bab had been a rout; the once formidable stretch of state buildings were destroyed and the defeated men who once worked inside were now at the mercy of an enemy whom they had dreaded.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...ite?CMP=twt_gu

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    Syrian Authorities Kill Terrorist Ringleader

    Syrian authorities have killed one of the ringleaders of al-Nusra Front terrorist group that has been active since the beginning of the national uprising in the country, SANA news agency said on Sunday.
    Al-Nusra Front has claimed responsibility for several terrorist attacks in Syria, including blasts in Aleppo in January 2012 and terrorist acts against intelligence service officers in Damascus in January and March. These attacks killed dozens, thousands had been wounded in them.
    SANA said that the killed terrorist is Wael Mohammad al-Majdalawi. According to preliminary data, he was killed in Damascus and civilians helped police to track him down.
    The Syrian conflict has claimed between 14,000 and 20,000 lives since March 2011, according to estimates by various opposition groups and the UN. The West is pushing for Assad’s ouster, while Russia and China are trying to prevent outside interference in the country, claiming the Assad regime and the opposition are both to blame for the bloodshed.

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    Lebanese authorities say they have uncovered a Syrian plot to destabilize Lebanon in an investigation that has led to the indictment of a top Syrian official and compounded fears that Damascus aims to export its civil conflict next door.

    The indictments issued in Beirut against two Syrian officers, including General Ali Mamlouk, mark an unprecedented Lebanese move against a more powerful neighbor that has been a major player in the country's affairs for decades.

    If confirmed, the alleged plot drawn up in collaboration with a former Lebanese minister to ignite sectarian strife in Lebanon would represent a major blow to Syria's Lebanese allies, including Hezbollah.


    http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=280971

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    Quote Originally Posted by EITAN88 View Post

    If confirmed, the alleged plot drawn up in collaboration with a former Lebanese minister to ignite sectarian strife in Lebanon would represent a major blow to Syria's Lebanese allies, including Hezbollah.


    http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=280971

    Very interesting, keep us updated on that story.


    Fighting in Syria's Aleppo rages on

    Syrian government troops kept fighting Free Syrian Army units in Aleppo on Saturday. Meanwhile, several news agencies quote opposition representatives as saying the rebels have managed to retake parts of the city’s strategic Salaheddin district.


    The militants earlier tried and failed to take the city’s international airport but are still in control of the highway leading to the terminal.
    There have also been reports of a powerful explosion happening in downtown Damascus. (Euronews)
    Syria in flames
    This week, the international attention has been focused on the “hot” phase of the conflict in Syria. Government forces dislodged rebels from Syria’s second largest city Aleppo where opposition forces had planned to organize a base for foreign assistance and a springboard for launching further attacks.
    Syrian and Jordanian servicemen clashed on the border between the two countries. The US slapped new sanctions on Damascus, while the UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon underscored the importance of maintaining the presence of international observers in Syria whose mandate expires in August. Mr.Ban holds rebel forces responsible for the escalation of military operations in Aleppo.
    Hopes voiced by Pentagon chief Leon Panetta to the effect that seizure of Aleppo by rebel forces would “drive the last nail into Assad’s coffin” fell through. The battle for Aleppo was deemed decisive by all parties involved, including the Assad regime, the rebel forces, and experts in the West. In case of success, the opposition was prepared to seize neighboring Idlib and turn it into a powerful base for launching new attacks. Western media kept repeating that seizure of Aleppo would provide the ‘Syrian uprising’ with a new vigor and would force the president to quit.
    Judging by the recent developments, the situation is changing in favor of the authorities. Andrey Volodin of the Oriental Research Center met with a Voice of Russia correspondent.
    "Evidently, rebel forces which consist of defectors, mercenaries and members of al-Qaeda, are powerless against a regular army. The West is thus faced with a dilemma: to leave everything as it is, or resort to a military intervention. Syria, Iran, Iraq, and probably, Lebanon, are planning to form an economic alliance. Opposition forces have become active in Turkey driven by a belief that President Erdogan’s policies are too premature and detrimental to the country’s interests. Erdogan is beginning to cross the Red Line drawn by Kemal Ataturk which precludes going beyond the borders of Turkey."
    However, Ankara is doggedly pursuing this track. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has arrived in Turkey, reportedly to discuss support for Syria’s split opposition and Syria’s development after Bashar Assad’s departure with the Turkish leadership.
    The Syrian people and authorities have a clear plan of action, says Oleg Fomin, co-chairman of the Russian Committee for Solidarity with Syria.
    "The Syrian people should continue to defend their cities and villages against invaders and see to it that all sober-minded groups within the Syrian society agreed to sit down at the negotiating table. They should also foster relations with Russia, China, Venezuela, and Cuba – countries that support Syria. Hopefully, the circle of the so-called “Friends of Syria” will expand as more countries favor Damascus’ position over that of neo-globalists, who are trying to subdue Syria and restore chaos in the Middle East."
    As it became clear in the wake of the Aleppo battle, rebel forces include a large number of foreign mercenaries from Turkey, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia. Contacted by a Voice of Russia correspondent, the commander of the Free Syrian Army Riad al-Asaad denied the presence of al-Qaeda linked terrorists among rebel forces. According to Riad al-Asaad, the Syrian opposition is against all forms of extremism. Strange as it might seem, extremism seems to be the mildest word to describe the methods opposition forces are using against the country’s legitimate authorities.
    Rebels and their western patrons are waging an info war. This week, they posted a report saying that a Russian general who coordinated the government’s military operations against the rebels was killed in Syria. Later in the week, the general met in person with journalists in Moscow.
    As the armed conflict in Syria rages on, a number of countries have been making attempts to stop the bloodshed. Ministers from more than twenty countries and a UN representative gathered in Tehran on August 9th to discuss Syria. Nevertheless, the situation is following the worst scenario, Irina Zvyagelskaya of the Oriental Studies Institute, says.
    "The purpose of the current scenario is to force the regime to disintegrate and President Assad to resign. The opposition is set on pressing on with their demands. Once they achieve their goal, they will start to build a regime of their own, but their regime is unlikely to be better than the current one."
    Washington and Brussels have been adding fuel to the fire by threatening to use force. The US has slapped new sanctions on Assad’s government and organizations that help Syria’s leadership. The US Treasury Department has included Hezbollah in the list of organizations that support the Syrian president. Earlier sanctions which were imposed on Syria by the US and the EU have brought no results.
    Ilya Kharlamov
    http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_08_12/Fi...eppo-rages-on/

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    Rebels who seized swathes of the city three weeks ago have been fighting to hold their ground against troops backed by warplanes, helicopter gunships, tanks and artillery.
    One rebel commander named Yasir Osman, 35, told ******* tanks had advanced into Salaheddine, despite attempts to fend them off by 150 fighters he said were short of ammunition.
    "Yesterday we encircled the Salaheddine petrol station, which the army has been using as a base, and we killed its commander and took a lot of ammunition and weapons. This ammunition is what we are using to fight today," he said.
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    At least 20 people were killed on Sunday in the second day of an armoured offensive to retake the northern Damascus suburb of al-Tel from rebels, opposition activists said.

    Heavy artillery barrages were hitting the Sunni Muslim town as loyalist troops made a renewed push after an attempt to storm Tel on Saturday was repelled, several activists and Free Syrian Army sources in the area said
    http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/s...or-no-fly-zone

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    Well they can't really hope to stop such a force. And I don't think anyone expected them to. It was always meant as a diversion to gain control over the other areas and weaken the regime.
    Hopefully they will get new weapons soon.

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    An interesting assessment by a senior INSS researcher. Shlomo Brom explains the measures taken Syrian regime to secure thse weapons and to reduce the risks related to their fall in unwanted hands.


    Syria's Chemical Weapons: A Risk Assessment
    Shlomo Brom

    http://www.inss.org.il/upload/(FILE)1344747468.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by themacedonian View Post
    Better anon-fly-zone than giving them MANPADs. The problem is who will implement it?

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    If a No fly zone is authorized who will enforce it? Turkey & U.S.? Hopefully Russia and China will now allow this to happen just my thoughts.

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