Originally Posted by Hisroyalhighness
Very Productive? He will continue with the killing. I can understand that Russia has interests in Syria,but to say that the meeting was very productive ,it's funny...
Perhaps you can lecture Mr. Lavrov, who went to the Moscow state institute of International relations, who served in the UN for 10 years and has 8 years worth of experience as Russia's FM, of how a productive state meeting should be like.
If Assad will stop the killing ,then it was a very productive meeting. If not,it wasn't...btw,are you a Russian?Perhaps you can lecture Mr. Lavrov, who went to the Moscow state institute of International relations, who served in the UN for 10 years and has 8 years worth of experience as Russia's FM, of how a productive state meeting should be like.
It's a bloody popular uprising! Even if Assad told his troops to cease fire, there would still be massive fighting, the FSA has made it a goal to topple Assad's Government and they will not put down their arms until the current regime has been disposed of. The talks were not meant to stop the fighting, but to help open up negotiations between the FSA and Assad's govt. Russia is seeking to open up negotiations between the two sides (which may prove to be futile) or ask Assad to start introducing reforms so he can retain his leadership and Russia can retain her contracts.
No I'm actually a (ex)member of the Vezo peoples, who hail from the lush and beautiful island nation of Madagascar. I just happen to have a beautiful Russian girlfriend, who introduced me to her culture and I fell in love with it. I actually visited Russia 6-8 times.
What else do you wanna know? What my foot size is?
Reforms? They(the opposition)will not accept any solution that allow him to stay. Btw,are you a Russian?
Exactly, no negotiations hence forth a state of civil war between the FSA and the Syrian Army, until one side triumphs.
I already told you I hail from Madagascar, I just happen to love everything about Russia.
It will be a very long fight if the West will not intervene...
Hmmm didn't know Russia considered Hezbollah the 'state' de jure of Lebanon...
Also, I suppose Hezbollah AREN'T Islamists?
And, your point? A ton of our diplomats and do-gooders goto Ivy League schools and have tons of time in the State Dept, it doesn't make their endless meetings any more productive. I suppose from the Russian standpoint - block any international action against Assad, make sure he wins, get monies - it was a success. Just didn't know the Russian yardstick of 'success' was pretty ****ty.Perhaps you can lecture Mr. Lavrov, who went to the Moscow state institute of International relations, who served in the UN for 10 years and has 8 years worth of experience as Russia's FM, of how a productive state meeting should be like.
So the US can supply weapons and money to nations that support Wahabbism like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?
Your double standards are really sick and stupid.
So, bleeding hearts, what about intervening in Liberia then? What about Sudan? I mean, people are dying by both government and rebels all the time, so why no intervention?
Because I like you, I will not cut you down. But, and this is a big but, you need to understand a thing called politics (or realpolitek in this case) and see that Syria may not entirely be what everyone here in west is exactly portrays it to be. Right now, there is a lot of confusion as to how many are actually dead (over inflated numbers in one case and underinflated in another) and the actually split between those who support Assad and those who do not, or those who are just caught in the middle.
If Syria was our ally, I can bet that we would also support him.
Assad will go the way of Ghaddafi, for better or worse, and with him Russia's influence there will be gone.
They'll likely try to jump ship at the last second and save their navy base.
As in Libiya and Egypt however, we dont know what will come afterwards or who we will be dealing with in 2 or 3 years. I dont think the inertia of the movement can be stopped however. Just a gut feeling.
seph, civil wars rarely go the way people expect anything to.
For all we know, the Assyrians may end up in charge. Which would be cool
This flag:
is superior to these flags:
After doubts grow, a regime backer flees Syria
http://host.madison.com/news/world/a...47efbd591.htmlYounes al-Yousef rarely goes outside in Cairo, fearful that even here someone will recognize him and word will get back to Damascus. He stays in a simple, rented apartment with his wife and children, smoking cigarettes, drinking coffee and watching TV for the latest from the homeland he fled, Syria.
Al-Yousef is waiting for the fall of a regime that he once believed in. He served as a cog in its machine, as a cameraman for a pro-government television station that showed Syrians "the reality" of the uprising.
"I was a supporter and I benefited from the regime, I can't deny it," the 35-year-old told The Associated Press in an interview in his apartment. "I tell you the truth, I was with the regime heart and soul."
But he said that as he watched security forces blast towns where protesters took to the streets to demand the ouster of President Bashar Assad, he could no longer believe the line he was helping bring to the public, that "terrorists" were tearing apart the country.
He expressed his doubts to a colleague. Then, fearing retaliation, he packed up his family and fled the country.
Al-Yousef's account of his experiences could not be independently confirmed, given the chaos in Syria and the limitations put on journalists by the government.
But his story gives a glimpse into how the regime has used one of its most powerful tools on the home front, the media, to keep the broader public on its side as it faces the greatest internal challenge in 40 years of rule by the Assad family.
Since protests began in March, the government has insisted they were not a popular uprising like those that toppled dictators in Tunisia and Egypt but the work of terrorists and armed groups in a foreign-backed plot to tear Syria apart. For Syrians watching the influential pro-regime media, this has been the cause of the daily bloodshed.
The message resonates among Syrians who have been taught for years that the Assads' secular, nationalist rule is what keeps the country together. There is particularly fear among minorities _ the Alawites, a Shiite Muslim offshoot, and Christians _ that Sunni Muslim fundamentalists will take over and retaliate against them. Even among the Sunni majority, which has been the backbone of the uprising, some fear the country will be torn apart if Assad goes.
Al-Yousef says he never had any reason to doubt the government's version.
Should be believe Debka about the foreign troops in Homs?
Are you trying to manipulate my statements? I never said Hezbollah was not Islamist, I never even said anything remotely about Hezbollah. Anyway, Hezbollah received their weapons(The 9M133 Kornet for example) from Syria, which Russia sold the Kornets to. The Israelis were shocked by the weapon's usage during the 2006 Lebanon war, and so sent a team to Moscow to present the evidence. Turns out the Kornets were SMUGGLED from Syria, not SOLD directly to Hezbollah by Russia. Ergo: smuggled by their Customers not direct sales/purchases.
Realpolitek.And, your point? A ton of our diplomats and do-gooders goto Ivy League schools and have tons of time in the State Dept, it doesn't make their endless meetings any more productive. I suppose from the Russian standpoint - block any international action against Assad, make sure he wins, get monies - it was a success. Just didn't know the Russian yardstick of 'success' was pretty ****ty.
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