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    this time china & russia cant deny that there is no war in Syria, they must cooperate with the rest of UN countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by IconOfEvi View Post
    While it sounds too...convenient to be true, we must remember that 1, we do not have a media presence in the country to robustly deny/confirm any news, and 2, Assad DOES have the largest chemical weapon stockpile in the Middle East, along with whatever he got from Saddam.

    Maybe soon, we'll find out what that building that was bombed in the desert was really upto...
    Still haven't given up on the Iraq WMD story a? Do you think there is a barrel in Syria that says "property of saddam"?

    The building that was bombed was most likely nuclear related.

    Media has been in Homs for while now getting high on .....hot gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clase View Post
    this time china & russia cant deny that there is no war in Syria, they must cooperate with the rest of UN countries
    Why? ..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clase View Post
    this time china & russia cant deny that there is no war in Syria, they must cooperate with the rest of UN countries
    They never denied that there was war. In fact, Russia have used that in support of its position that it's not just Assad that is contributing to the violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universal_Soldier View Post
    No doubt Assad has been brutal and heavy handed. However, some people (especially in the western media) like to forget issues like; AQ blowing up buildings in Syria in a bid to help the insurgents, the insurgents are launching attacks against the Army and retreating to civilian neighborhoods.
    If it weren't for Al Qaida running from Iraq licking their wounds, i wouldn't believe they were so desperately seeking new countries to operate from.
    They have learned to adjust their tactics, as have we. They have adjusted their strategy and learned from their poor performance in Iraq. Putting fear into the civilians was not the right path. (Which resulted in this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Iraq)

    I believe the intimidation attacks on Iraqi civilians has turned into intimidating military forces to cause civilian deaths and build a support base for their own cause. I personally think it would be the logical next step in fine tuning their strategy.
    There is a **** storm in Yemen, but don't worry that's just Al Qaida again, like i said, so desperate for a safe haven!

    Basically this is why i am very weary about all of this. I think Assad is a little too heavy handed, that generally seems to be agreed upon, but I also believe he is doing us a favour, something we would be unable to do ourselves.

    Collective punishment is not the right course, but neither is helping this turn into complete anarchy with no security forces, and let whatever rises from the ashes, rise. That is not a smart move.

    I expected my browser to freeze at post, sure enough 6 tries later it posted. I am sorry if it posts multiple times i will remove if this is the case)

    I could also be entirely wrong. This is my true gut feeling on this issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steak-Sauce View Post
    Please, gimme a heads-up. Who should supply the Taleban with communications equipment and body armor, according to you?
    The ones who armed them against USSR
    unlike stinger missiles communication equipment
    and body armor tends to last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    Syrian defector: Assad using chemical weapons

    Assad's forces used nerve gas in Homs under Iranian, Russian supervision, Syrian army defector says


    Elior Levy


    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...189238,00.html
    well I must say it's outright lie
    you can't control this things in cities and they
    tend to spread to the places you don't want.

    more importantly Iran nor have any chemical
    weapons or nerves gas neither any experience
    using them. but in case you are interested Iran
    have more experience than any country treating
    the long term effect of these gases and
    controlling the contamination.

    by the way there is media in Syria just one or two days ago France24 showed news from their reporters in one of the Syrian city near Homs .and they had some interview with some of opposition I'm sure if there was any use of chemical weapon they would have stated that

    and if they used nerves gas instead of 6000 death in nine month we had 6000 death in one day
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    Propagation of rumours:

    http://m.upi.com/m/story/UPI-41621329120000/

    Paul Woods called them rumours. Few pages back I said how rumours propagate.

    The Syrian army began distributing gas masks to its soldiers Sunday, the British newspaper The Daily Telegraph reported, while opposition activists said Assad forces transferred grenades and mortars containing chemical agents to a Homs school building, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported.

    Both newspapers said opposition figures were concerned the moves could signal the regime's intention to use chemical weapons against its citizens.

    Now it is a report not a rumour. Recently it became a fact.
    How anyone seen pictures from Greece?? Every riot policeman has a gas mask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themacedonian View Post
    How anyone seen pictures from Greece?? Every riot policeman has a gas mask.
    Papademos is using chemical weapons on the Greek protestors !!!!

    Well, yes, teargaz is a chemical product afterall...

    Nothing on the french news about nerve gas in Syria. They're not on Assad's side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themacedonian View Post
    Now it is a report not a rumour. Recently it became a fact.
    It did not, until it is independently verified it always remains a second-hand report from one defector. Possibly cooked up amid hysteria in Homs, in situation like that rumours are easily created and even more easily spreaded.

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    The 'Arm the FSA' Bandwagon

    Over the last few days there has been a cascade of politicians and analysts jumping on the bandwagon of arming the Free Syrian Army, from John McCain and Elliott Abrams to FP's Daniel Drezner. It's easy to understand why. The failure of the U.N. Security Council has blocked diplomatic efforts to achieve a political transition and has triggered a clear escalation in violence by Bashar al-Assad's regime. With the horrifying images of the dead and wounded in Homs and elsewhere, many people want to do something to stop the atrocities. But almost everyone who looks carefully at options for military intervention, however, quickly realizes how daunting such an operation would actually be with neither airstrikes nor safe areas likely to succeed and nobody (thankfully) willing to admit to contemplating boots on the ground.

    As I expected a few weeks ago, arming the Free Syrian Army has therefore emerged as an attractive option to many. Advocates of arming the FSA argue that providing the internal Syrian opposition forces with advanced weapons, communications, and other support would even the military balance and give them a fighting chance against the Assad regime. It would give them the means to defend their cities and protect the population from security forces. It might allow them to take the fight to Assad and hasten the fall of his regime. Many Syrians on the ground are asking for such assistance. And it would do all this without the risks and costs of Western military intervention.

    I have said many times that this is where I think Syria is going, whether or not the United States makes a decision to join the game (thus far, reportedly, it has not, but presumably the option is being debated). I want to find ways to help the Syrian people too, badly. And I can fully understand why this looks like an attractive option. But people need to think far more carefully about the implications of funneling weapons to the Free Syrian Army before leaping into such a policy. Here are some of the questions that need to be asked.
    Posted By Marc Lynch

    Rest of the article: http://lynch.foreignpolicy.com/posts..._fsa_bandwagon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinity View Post
    The ones who armed them against USSR
    unlike stinger missiles communication equipment
    and body armor tends to last.
    Interesting, I didn't know the Taleban were around during the Afghanistan War involving the Soviet Union. Please, carry on.

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    Syrian defector: Assad forces using chemical weapons

    Security forces loyal to President Bashar Assad have been using chemical weapons against Syrian rebels, under the supervision of Iranian and Russian experts, a defecting Syrian officer charged Monday.

    The officer, Captain Abd al-Salam Ahmed Abdul Razek, who served in Syrian's chemical warfare administration, told al-Arabiya that the Syrian military used nerve gas – banned by various international conventions – in order to assist forces in their raid on the restive city of Homs. (Elior Levy)
    Taking it with a grain of salt, but still...

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...189248,00.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empulse View Post
    Taking it with a grain of salt, but still...

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...189248,00.html
    First - repost.
    Second - BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clase View Post
    this time china & russia cant deny that there is no war in Syria, they must cooperate with the rest of UN countries
    Syria's government is important to their interests, why move against it?

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