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    a legitimation to meddle in internal politics of a sovereign country.

    I could make a case that a country ruled by a dictator is not sovereign.
    I don't see it happening within five years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NPFF View Post
    I could make a case that a country ruled by a dictator is not sovereign.

    That would lead to interesting times indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NPFF View Post
    I could make a case that a country ruled by a dictator is not sovereign.
    you could but it would be based on wishful thinking.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state

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    What I hear, what I hear? Fighters for freedom and democracy come together to help another tormented country. Among the famous fighters for freedom and democracy are the princes of Saudia Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain (?). Do not know if coming from Yemen and the UAE, Afghanistan and perhaps Pakistan, probably Iraq. Of course, a great friend of freedom and democracy around the world, the famous a only one-U.S, is always there to help and united demo-freedom fighters from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan, Afghanistan...
    After all, ask Keleraba, he never lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaito View Post
    you could but it would be based on wishful thinking.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state
    Doesnt matter that it is a sovereign state.
    Sovereignty isn’t a free ticket excuse to kill people without having outsiders interfering, we have had Responsibility to Protect (R2P) for years now where military measures can be taken against states who fail to protect their own citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kher View Post
    Doesnt matter that it is a sovereign state.
    it actually does. a lot.


    Sovereignty isn’t a free ticket excuse to kill people without having outsiders interfering
    it isn't and outsiders are interfering already.

    we have had Responsibility to Protect (R2P) for years now where military measures can be taken against states who fail to protect their own citizens.
    as a last resort.

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    You're just theorizing, no such international law is on paper. Whoever interferes has to work around the law, which is basically declaring war on Syria. There has been so many warnings to their government, and they don't listen to anyone, it seems the only option. Question is how bad it has to get, how many civilians will die before anyone takes action.

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    I think most will agree that Assad belongs into a prison, the questions is how to get him there without turning a whole region into a war zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hattusili View Post
    You're just theorizing, no such international law is on paper. Whoever interferes has to work around the law, which is basically declaring war on Syria. There has been so many warnings to their government, and they don't listen to anyone, it seems the only option. Question is how bad it has to get, how many civilians will die before anyone takes action.
    Or how many civilians will die because somebody takes action...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hattusili View Post
    There has been so many warnings to their government, and they don't listen to anyone
    They don't have to listen to anyone. That what being a sovereign state comes down to.

    Whoever interferes has to work around the law
    As kher already mentioned there is the legal backdoor with R2P already.
    At the moment whoever interferes has to work around Russia and China - or get them on their side, which might be a refreshing approach.
    The resistence is armed and waging war and the "coallition of the willing" that's pushing for intervention contains some not so democratic countries which makes me doubt the sincere intentions to improve things and that in this situation any side apart from the civillians caught in between the fighting are innocent.

    how many civilians will die before anyone takes action.
    How many will die during and afterwards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaito View Post
    They don't have to listen to anyone. That what being a sovereign state comes down to.
    Being a sovereign state doesn't give you a carte blanche for killing your own population. Not sure what the right solution for syria is at the moment, however just because Assad is a dictator of a sovereign state doesn't allow him everything.

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    without turning a whole region into a war zone
    Whatever is done the region is involved, the violence is in Syria right now, but it's a regional problem.

    Question for everyone: What do you see in the next five years for Syria?

    I'd bet on a civil war for another two years, increasing number of refugees in surrounding countries. An international trade embargo.. I think Assad might be weakened but still there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herman the II View Post
    I think most will agree that Assad belongs into a prison, the questions is how to get him there without turning a whole region into a war zone.
    What makes Assad less criminal than George Bush, Barack Obama, Nikolas Sarkozy or Vladimir Putin? He does not have nukes and military power that enables him to carry out heinous crimes with impunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herman the II View Post
    Being a sovereign state doesn't give you a carte blanche for killing your own population.
    How about foreign population then? Is it OK to attack another country and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Recent happenings in the world say that this is OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pankrat View Post
    What makes Assad less criminal than George Bush, Barack Obama, Nikolas Sarkozy or Vladimir Putin? He does not have nukes and military power that enables him to carry out heinous crimes with impunity.
    Bingo!!!!!!

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