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    Putin strongly warns against military intervention in Syria, attack on Iran
    MOSCOW - Vladimir Putin has accused the United States and its Western allies of supporting the Arab Spring revolts in its own interests and strongly warned against a military intervention in Syria.
    Putin said in an article published Monday in the Moscow News daily that the Western push for sanctions against Syrian President Bashar Assad's government was "cynical." He insisted that both the government and opposition forces should pull out of cities to end bloodshed.
    Putin defended a Russia-China veto of a U.N. resolution condemning Assad's crackdown on protests, saying that Moscow wouldn't allow the replay of what happened in Libya, where a NATO air campaign helped Libyans end Moammar Gadhafi's regime.
    He also warned strongly against any attack on Iran, saying its consequences would be "catastrophic."
    http://news.yahoo.com/putin-strongly...065213301.html

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    On Syria, the Russian bear's growling is one of fear

    Moscow's steely support of Assad is intended to allow it to stand strong and face the West as a world power in its own right. And there is nothing like an election campaign for standing up to the whole world and bringing back some good old-fashioned imperialism.

    By Adar Primor

    SOCHI, Russia - Dozens of decision-makers and shapers of public opinion from Russia and the Middle East met here earlier this month under the auspices of the Kremlin. They came to discuss the "Transformation in the Arab World and Russia's Interests," as the Valdai Discussion Club, established by the Russian news and information agency RIA Novosti, called its conference.

    They had the perfect backdrop: a pastoral compound on the shores of the Black Sea nestled among cypress, palms and pines, a stone's throw from the Olympic Village that will be the focus of the winter games of 2014, in the shadow of the Caucasus Mountains. How far from the protests and the calls for "Russia without Putin." How far from the rivers of blood in Homs and Hama.

    Russia is signaling that it wants to come back with all its might to the Middle East, explained Russia experts who spoke at the conference, which took place February 17-18. They said Russia is seeking full involvement in the Iranian issue and the bogged-down Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It wants to influence the Arab world during its liberation process.

    But it seems that this conference was not about flexing muscles; it was much more a demonstration of Russia's own fear and dread. Is the Russian bear growling? That is simply because it is afraid.

    Radical Islam is the country's greatest fear. After Tunisia and Egypt, who can guarantee that the Islamists will not take over Syria, the Russians ask "Israel should understand that better than anyone. Israel should have been Syrian President Bashar Assad's greatest supporter."

    The increasing strength of Islamist forces could lead to their becoming stronger in the Caucasus and the Volga region. It could undermine the former Soviet republics in Central Asia.

    Many Russians hear "Islam" and envision unrest, chaos, civil war, mass migration and the outbreak of new regional conflicts. The choice between Assad and the alternative, they say, is not between good and evil; it's between evil and the apocalypse.

    The Russians are motivated not only by fear, but by trauma - the trauma of Libya. The phrase heard repeatedly here was "Western treachery," a reference to what Russia considers to be the trap set for it in the form of last year's Security Council Resolution 1973, which enforced a no-fly zone over Libya. The no-fly zone was meant to prevent the killing of civilians, but the Libya campaign became a Western, Crusader-style operation to bring down Gadhafi, and ended with a loss of control and with everybody fighting everybody else. We will not be fooled again, the Russians say; we will not allow the West to intervene again in the affairs of a sovereign state.

    The Russian weapons industry lost orders amounting to some $10 billion in the wake of the Arab Spring and the sanctions on Iran. The sale of weapons to Syria, on the other hand, has doubled over the past four years, to $4.7 billion, giving Russia another reason to fear the fall of Assad. In addition, regime change in Damascus could also mean the loss of Russian control over the Syrian port of Tartus on the Mediterranean Sea, the only Russian naval base outside the former Soviet Union.

    Disappointment, frustration and even rage - all these emotions were mixed together in the arguments made by the Arab speakers at the conference. They more than hinted to their hosts that Moscow's support of Assad gives him the green light to slaughter his opponents.
    But in the wake of the Syrian crisis, Russia fears the loss of its credibility and international prestige more than it fears the loss of its hegemony over the Arab world. The Americans can betray their allies, the Russians say; look what happened with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. But, they insist, Russia will never abandon its historic allies.

    In the end, Moscow's steely support of Assad is intended to allow it to stand strong and face the West as a world power in its own right. And there is nothing like an election campaign for standing up to the whole world and bringing back some good old-fashioned imperialism - certainly at a time when it is unclear whether it is winter or spring. Indeed, it is the concept embodied by the slogan "Assad today, Putin tomorrow" that is the greatest of all the fears motivating the Russian bear today. None of the delegates to the Sochi conference had any doubt: Putin will be Russia's next president after next week's election. But the conventional wisdom, whispered in back rooms, was also that he will not finish out his term.

    As the song "I Will Survive" blared from the speakers at the farewell banquet, I received two e-mails on my cell phone. One described another bloody day in Syria. The other was a Foreign Policy article called "Putin is already dead."
    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...-fear-1.415004

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    I wonder what happens if Assad was assassinated. Wouldn't that solve every thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdiver_2000 View Post
    I wonder what happens if Assad was assassinated. Wouldn't that solve every thing?
    Personally, I guess so.

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    New ally of west:

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4195286,00.html"]'Murdering Assad more important than killing an Israeli'[/url]

    Saudi cleric who once offered cash prize to whomever kidnaps Israeli soldier comes out against Syrian president

    Saudi cleric Bashar Assad would be a more noble deed than killing an Israeli person.

    Saudi newspaper Sabah quoted al-Qarni as saying that Assad deserves to die for heresy, referring to him as "Basharon," in a jab alluding to former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. The Muslim cleric claimed that the Golan Heights will not be freed until Assad's "treacherous" regime falls.

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    EU agrees to sanctions on Syrian central bank

    By Reuteur$

    New sanctions target central bank, trade and gov't; Italian FM says sanctions best EU can do short of military intervention.

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    Monday's decision complements an oil embargo imposed in September, and extends the list of people targeted. More than a hundred Syrians, including Assad, already face asset freezes and visa bans.

    European firms are also banned from doing business with nearly 40 Syrian companies and institutions, some of them large businesses involved in trading and exploring for oil.

    Western sanctions are taking a toll on the Syrian economy and powering discontent among the middle classes, from which Assad draws much of his support.

    "We can't underestimate that a Syrian ruler has to feed his people, has to provide goods for his country," Austrian Foreign Minister Michael Spindelegger told Austrian radio before the meeting.

    "If this gets harder and harder to do then it will be harder for him to withstand this internal pressure. I believe we are close to a civil war in Syria and this means the pressure is growing incredibly on him and his regime."

    Oil sanctions have damaged a vital source of hard-currency income - EU states used to buy some 90 percent of oil exports, and the Syrian pound has hit record lows against the dollar on the black market.

    But Assad shows no sign of easing the crackdown on protesters and armed rebels fighting under the banner of the Free Syrian Army.



    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=259586

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdiver_2000 View Post
    I wonder what happens if Assad was assassinated. Wouldn't that solve every thing?
    No there's no single event that would solve everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svetovid View Post
    New ally of west:
    The opposition is not an homogenous body and not every moron that could support it is an ally of the West.

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    Syrian Interior Minister: 57.4% of Eligible Voters Participated in Referendum on New Draft Constitution, 89.4% of Voters Approved It
    DAMASCUS, (SANA) – Minister of Interior Maj. Gen. Mohammad Ibrahim al-Shaar on Monday announced that 8,376,447 citizens voted in the referendum on the new draft constitution, which constitutes 57.4% of eligible voters, with 89.4% of voters approving it.
    In a press conference, al-Shaar said that 9% of the voters didn't approve of the new draft constitution, while 1.6% of the ballots were invalid.
    http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2012/02/27/402978.htm

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    China calls US critique on Syria "super arrogant"

    China has hit out at comments by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on its stance on Syria.

    A foreign ministry spokesman called the comments unacceptable, and the official Communist Party newspaper described the criticism as "super arrogant".

    Mrs Clinton on Friday called China and Russia's veto of a UN resolution on Syria "despicable".

    The Chinese criticism came a day after Syria held a national referendum on a new constitution, amid violent unrest.

    The referendum calls for a multi-party parliamentary election within three months. The opposition has dismissed Sunday's vote as a farce, as at least 30 more deaths were reported around the country.
    'Patronising'

    Ms Clinton made her remarks at the Friends of Syria conference in Tunisia, a meeting of diplomats boycotted by China and Russia that sought an end to the crisis.

    The US Secretary of State said it was "quite distressing" to see two Security Council members using their vetoes "while people are being murdered".

    "It is just despicable and I ask whose side are they on? They are clearly not on the side of the Syrian people."
    China's veto has left Beijing open to criticism that it sides with dictators and repressive regimes and is encouraging
    Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei, when asked for Beijing's response, said China "cannot accept that at all", AFP news agency reported.

    Communist Party mouthpiece the People's Daily was more outspoken.

    "The United States' motive in parading as a 'protector' of the Arab peoples is not difficult to imagine," it said in a commentary. "The problem is, what moral basis does it have for this patronising and egotistical super-arrogance and self-confidence?"

    "Even now, violence continues unabated in Iraq and ordinary people enjoy no security. This alone is enough for us to draw a huge question mark over the sincerity and efficacy of US policy," it added.

    While China is traditionally resistant to interference in other countries' affairs, it has come under intense pressure on Syria.

    Beijing believes that Syrian leader Bashar Al-Assad should be allowed to carry out reforms to try and end the bloodshed, says the BBC's Martin Patience in Beijing.

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    Let's not make the mistake of oversimplifying the Chinese view to something like "a non-democratic state feels threatened by the revolution". There might be more to it. They have a different view of what's important. East asia has a strong tradition of valuing the strength of the community, more than individuality. And in their view, the west might be doing the wrong things.

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    Syria approves new constitution amid bloodshed

    By OREN KESSLER AND REUTER$

    Israeli ex-negotiator with Damascus: Diplomatic efforts are now "futile"; Syria says 89% of voters approve referendum.

    Syrian artillery pounded rebel-held areas of Homs on Monday as President Bashar Assad's government announced voters had overwhelmingly approved a new constitution in a referendum derided as a sham by his critics.
    While foreign powers argued over whether to arm the rebels, the Syrian Interior Ministry said the reformed constitution, which could keep Assad in power until 2028, had received 89.4 percent approval from more than eight million voters.


    CONTINUED: http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=259625

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    Quote Originally Posted by hattusili View Post
    Let's not make the mistake of oversimplifying the Chinese view to something like "a non-democratic state feels threatened by the revolution". There might be more to it. They have a different view of what's important. East asia has a strong tradition of valuing the strength of the community, more than individuality. And in their view, the west might be doing the wrong things.
    They are just repeating the same national-sovereignty-over-human-rights-and-one-should-intervene-others-internal-affair ranting they developed long time ago. But with more money and power, their can now speak out louder and more confidently. I think China has little influence on this case. Unless it can make Assad to broke a peace deal with the opposition, which is quite unlikely to happen. It offers no better way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    EU agrees to sanctions on Syrian central bank

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    "We can't underestimate that a Syrian ruler has to feed his people, has to provide goods for his country," Austrian Foreign Minister Michael Spindelegger told Austrian radio before the meeting.

    "If this gets harder and harder to do then it will be harder for him to withstand this internal pressure. I believe we are close to a civil war in Syria and this means the pressure isY growing incredibly on him and his regime."
    Enough said .......in the past it was always claimed that sanctions do not want to target the people.
    The drive is to bring the country down nothing more nothing less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themacedonian View Post
    Enough said .......in the past it was always claimed that sanctions do not want to target the people.
    The drive is to bring the country down nothing more nothing less.
    Of course, it aims to topple the authority. If an humanitarian crisis occurs, relief will be provided.

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