Saudi Arabia doesn't send rockets into another country and doesn't support terrorism. Actually, SA hates Al Qaeda because Al Qaeda is very much against Saudi royalty.Originally Posted by sepheronx
Egypt money is to keep treaty in place so there isn't another war in Middle east with Israel.
Not all Pakistan heads support Taliban, just a few. Pakistan literally risked instalibity to help US in war on terror. Pakistani ISI helped US counter terrorism agencies locate and capture a lot of key terrorists (Khalid sheikh mohammed).
I am not going to bother the other nonsense you dare to bring up in your reply.
Nice, you are using Personal attacks. It's the argument that counts, not who says it. Logic 101.
Anyway, Kofi Annan attempt to diplomacy with this criminal regime is not going to work. At the end of the day, there will be a no fly zone. The West will not let those chemical weapons get in the hand of Hezbollah.
How naive.
JCPA
IAGS
MEF
I don't think it was any secret that Saudi Arabia has supported terrorism.
As for Pakistan; look up the whole Soviet/Afghan war and how Pakistan contributed. Also, look what happened after the soviets left and how Najibullah was replaced by an islamic counsel that was supported by Pakistan.
Saudi Arabia supporting Al Qaeda like groups is like US supporting Iran.
It will never happen, Al Qaeda is seeking to tear up Saudi Royalty. Look at what happen in 2004 during Saudi Arabia. Many assassination attempts were directed by al Qaeda toward Royal family. Your links give pre-2004 time frames.
Here is a good time frame, see supporting links in this wiki article for source links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurge...di_Arabia#2004
I don't think you are getting the point. You are focusing too much into Al-Qaeda and not at terrorism in general. There is no such thing as a good Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Chechen Muhajadeen, etc etc etc. Fact is, they have supported Terrorism while still gaining support from us, just as well as Pakistan (and if you still want to keep your head in the sand, then continue to do). You are quick to point fingers and blame Russia in this whole matter and their support. But their support lies within the same guidelines of our support for other regimes and that would simply be making us a hypocrite. Yes, it can be that simple.
Edit: and no, the MEF article is from 2006.
MEF arctile is from 2006 but it talks about events prior or during 2003.
Terrorism in general ? Care to give the name of a group that Saudi Arabia helps ?
I don't think that SA is a nice country but at the same time it doesn't fund or arm terrorist groups. If it did, it would loose the key partnership it needs with the US to counter Iran and Al Qaeda.
Did you read the articles then? Or are you saying they do not support terrorism at all?
I'll give you a hint: They are operating in Syria and they had done this one before in the 80's.
Yet Pakistan has countless of times supported terrorism right in the open against US forces and other forces as well for a while now, and yet they still get funding from the US. Just because Iran is a counter point and that Iran supports terrorism, does not mean that Saudi Arabia does not.I don't think that SA is a nice country but at the same time it doesn't fund or arm terrorist groups. If it did, it would loose the key partnership it needs with the US to counter Iran and Al Qaeda.
Edit: we are getting off topic here. Matter of the point that I and others are addressing is that you are quick to point fingers. Try to look at it in all possible ways. We all make mistakes in what we say or mean what we are saying.
Of course I didn't read them.... (sarcasm). Articles just claim they are some rich Saudis who are involved with extremism and terrorist funding, not any allegations against Saudi government.
FSA are not terrorist. You can't just brand the word terrorist on anyone you see fit.
By the way, Israel kills Iranian scientists. Is it a good thing ? Maybe not, but the end does justify the means.
You wanna know who are the terrorist groups ??? These lists will give you the groups :http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm
Is that so? So then the so called "Militants" from Chechnya where not terrorists either, right? I mean, they fought similar during the 90's. How about the Muslim Brotherhood in the 80's? How about the ethnic clashes going on now in Libya?
FSA? A rose by any other name.
Edit: HisroyalHiness is right, this is going off topic and I don't want to piss off the mods more.
im pretty sure i read an article how saudi arabian prince sent money to chechen rebels to fight russia
Of course they're not terrorists, but that doesn't mean that the FSA hasn't received weapons and training from terrorist groups. Border's don't matter in that region, tribal ties are much more influential. Sunni militant groups are reaching across borders to help their fellow Sunni's. It doesn't mean that they have an alliance with Al-Qaeda, though. I'd say the majority of the FSA fighters in Syria have nothing to do with terrorism. Still, there are lots of groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda in Iraq that want to influence the outcome of this civil war, so they lend a much needed hand. The Muslim Brotherhood has been trying to fund their own fighters in Syria and most of the FSA doesn't like it. It's a very complicated situation and nothing in Syria is black & white.
I wasn't talking about Chechnya, Straw man fallacy.
I wasn't talking about MB in the 80s, Straw man fallacy.
FSA : Most of them defectors who are trying to defend Syrians from getting killed by the regime.
Since you don't want to go off topic, let's stick to FSA. Why do you think they are terrorists ? I've been following Syrian events since March 2011, fluent in Arabic and I have been in Syria in the past. So don't try making up facts about Syria. I know how much the regime worships Hezbollah.
MB is not active in Syria : http://www.todayszaman.com/news-2701...-struggle.html
I differ on two points. The funding of terrorist groups through Islamic charities and the US relationship. The KSA is critical to the US now and into the foreseeeable future. Its moving off topic so start a thread and debate it there.
Well, for one: IED attacks? What about car bombings? Beginning of the conflict; so called unarmed protesters engaging police.
I am glad for you that you are fluent in Arabic and you have been in Syria before, maybe there is an agenda here on your part then. I don't know but regardless of what you or I think, we are not making any difference at all.
Edit: BTW, it isn't Straw Man fallacy if these are past supports when you are simply pointing fingers at someone specific and I mention that we are no better. Just because it is here and now does not make us any better. Get that through your head man.
IED attacks are directed toward Syrian armored units (tanks, apcs...).
Car bombings were not done by FSA, Al Qaeda claimed responsibility not FSA. Then AQ decided to withdrew following discontent from FSA.
Yes there is an agenda for me here. I was trained by the Mossad and I am on a secret assignment....
You missed the last part of what you quoted about your agenda :-/
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