I think we'll find that out in the next day or two. The ceasefire is supposed to take place on the 10th, but neither side has agreed to it.Originally Posted by Herman the II
Where in the above have I justified some alleged Syrian fire into Turkey?
BTW why isn't Turkey enforcing the border? Permitting the so called "Free Syrian Army" ( who no one actually claims it is fighting for any freedom just to take over) to operate in the camps is an act against Syria. Having refugees is one thing, having FSA basing there is totally another.
Turkey should intervene. At least this sharade innocent by standers will end.
I'm just asking in general, I didn't mean to say you're justifying it. Sorry. I think there's enough video evidence to show the Syrian's did fire into the camp. One guy was shot right in front of his door to his housing unit.
I agree Turkey should enforce the border and only let in refugee's, and not allow the FSA to conduct operations from inside their territory. It just looks hypocritical when they're fighting insurgency's of their own and threatened to invade Syria for supporting the PKK. Turkey should stick to their word and intervene with some sort of buffer zone. Seems like things on the border there have gotten way too out of hand. I think it shouldn't just be a Turkish effort, but a UN effort. Doesn't have to be some huge NATO bombing campaign or anything like that. Just a buffer zone big enough to ease the refugee situation in Turkey and allow more people to flee to safety from the fighting. I think the large majority of Syrian's want nothing to do with the conflict and just want to get on with their lives.
What we agree or disagree it does not matter. This will not end well for Syria (not so much government but people in general on both sides).
I think Erdogan might cross the border very soon.
Turkey says Syria deadline void after cross-border shooting
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=265380Two Syrian refugees and a Turkish citizen are wounded by gunfire coming from Syrian side of border; Turkish Deputy FM says "a new stage" will begin; Kofi Annan announced plan to visit Syrian refugees in Turkey.
Ankara declared void an April 10 deadline for Syria to pull back its troops after three people inside Turkey were wounded by gunfire coming from across the border in Syria Monday.
Turkish Deputy Foreign Minister Naci Koru said that in place of the pullback under the terms of a UN peace plan, a new stage would begin Tuesday.
Two Syrian refugees and one Turkish translator were wounded earlier Monday when the Kilis border refugee camp in Turkey's southern Gaziantep province came under fire from the Syrian side of the border, a Turkish foreign ministry official said.
"After this incident the Syrian Charge d'Affaires in Ankara was called and we demanded an end to this," the official said.
Turkish security forces increased their presence in the border area, which it was keeping open to Syrian refugees, Turkish daily Hurriyet reported.
Mohammad Abdelqader, a refugee in the camp who said he had witnessed the shootings, said two Syrians had been killed and two more had been wounded in the attack. ******* could not immediately confirm that report.
Now, what does that mean?
I think he has to. Turkey's taken in lots of refugee's before, but I think they've learned from past experience with the Kurd's how bad it is for their economy. All you have to do is look at what's happening in some Lebanese border cities. The massive influx of jobless Syrian refugees has made prices of housing and regular commodities go up substantially, and it's really threatening their job market. I have a feeling Turkey's going to want to avoid that. A buffer zone inside Syria would be the answer.
It might mean that Turkey might do some military posturing on border, show of force to exert pressure on a better ceasefire agreement. If they cross border public support for Assad will increase.
Erdogan loves to threaten/chest beat with Turkeys neighbors (Cyprus/Israel/etc.), probably mostly more of his bravado at this point.
Soviet Union. But not Russian federation. I agree, during soviet times we used to sell lots of arms to Syria. But all this ended in 1992. Only few years ago we started to trade again. And during the times of decreased level or Russian-Syrian relations which lasted for more than 10 years Assad could lose the power easily if he hadn't support of rather big part of Syrian society.
If military and other citizens of Tunisia and Egypt supported their dictators so much like in Syria - there would be the same level of violence. The matter is not in fear or repressions but in the amount of people who support the regime and opposition. There is a civil war in Libya, there is something near a civil war in Syria. And civil war brakes out when two similar groups of people start fighting for gaining all the power.
How many years Pol Pot was the leader of Cambodia? How much time it took for his regime to collapse? Not so much, as I know. Fear and execution hadn't helped much. The same goes for Hitler or Somoza.
yeah good luck with that.
Russia wil just put down a veto and continue on...
don't you Israeli's have anything else to do than troll everytime something about Turkey is mentioned?
Actually, there are only a few of them does that and they usually criticize the Sultan Erdogan & Co. not the Turks in general.
On topic; Erdo and his sidekick Davutoglu is pretty eager to intervene, but they don't get the green light from the "Friends of Syria" group and the US administration.
I guess this is the point. On one hand, these "friends of Syria" lack the determination to do something to end this tragedy. On the other hand, they tie the hands of those who want and can do something about it.
it is still very annoying to read the same stuff whenever Erdogan/Turkey is mentioned.
The reason for this are Erdogan's aggressive statements about Israel at least once a week.
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